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Explosion at Josh Powell's WA home......

Millsapa said:
It is hard to believe anyone is complaining about others "judging" a guy who hatchets and burns his children to death. Why would you even care whether he is "judged" or not?
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Perhaps it's because people don't have the facts, yet are "judging" this guy by what they perceive. Is what he did the most wretched thing imaginable? Without a doubt. Do you or I or anyone really know why, how, etc? Nope. If you step back and look at it with objective eyes, you'll see that it really isn't our place to judge him (thank goodness) because we just don't know. By throwing out your judgments and opinions, you're basically saying, "I have no idea what I'm talking about, but my opinion is correct!". They very well may be correct, but seriously, they're not.
 
Those kids had it coming to them, Josh Powell - presumably - had a rough life. Let's not presume anything else, we all know that something something poor Josh Powell.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Those kids had it coming to them, Josh Powell had a rough life. Let's show some compassion for poor Josh Powell.
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It's not like you to jump to conclusions and be totally irrational, are you feeling OK? I sure would like to see any instance of anyone showing compassion for poor Josh Powell, or anyone saying anything like that about his kids.
 
TroutBum said:
It's not like you to jump to conclusions and be totally irrational, are you feeling OK? I sure would like to see any instance of anyone showing compassion for poor Josh Powell, or anyone saying anything like that about his kids.
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I'm having trouble getting over this thought:

Let's be honest here, Josh Powell was probably molested as a child by his creepy child-porn collecting/filming dad. There is about a 95% probability based on how he's acted. A lot of you are condemning the man to hell without considering how disgusting of a life he probably had to have his brain be wired that way.
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A lot of trouble. It's like water spilled onto my circuits, or most of greg2012's posts.
 
NUMBERICA said:
A lot of trouble
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That's likely because you're a fatalistic fool who thinks people are born either good or bad.

I like to think that there are reasons people do what they do that go beyond whether or not they're "evil". Trying to learn what it is that causes people to commit atrocious, seemingly senseless crimes might help us find ways to avoid future atrocities, like the ones being discussed in this thread.

Or we can just sit around hoping God figures it all out for us...
 
GVC said:
That's likely because you're a fatalistic fool who thinks people are born either good or bad.

I like to think that there are reasons people do what they do that go beyond whether or not they're "evil". Trying to learn what it is that causes people to commit atrocious, seemingly senseless crimes might help us find ways to avoid future atrocities, like the ones being discussed in this thread.

Or we can just sit around hoping God figures it all out for us...
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Or we can all just agree to judge a guy based on his actions and throw out everything else when the crime is heinous enough. Josh Powell isn't the first - nor the last - person that MIGHT have been abused as a child. The things we're exposed to as children influence the adult we become, but as much gray as there is on issues all around us, there are lines that push me beyond a point of reasoning. While we are animals, we are also sentient and should have the ability to discern obvious right from obvious wrong. I will condemn the **** out of someone for abusing children in anyway, let alone needlessly murdering them.

Maybe Jerry Sandusky was abused as a child, maybe he wasn't. I fail to see why that matters. They're ****ing terrible people and the only lesson to learn is one that everyone already knows most and learns first: Don't be a monster.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Maybe Jerry Sandusky was abused as a child, maybe he wasn't. I fail to see why that matters. They're ****ing terrible people and the only lesson to learn is one that everyone already knows most and learns first: Don't be a monster.
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Really? You fail to see how there might be reasons why they did what they did? That maybe we can learn more about abuse and its consequences? That perhaps we can use this knowledge to better isolate dangerous people, and remove them from society and/or try to rehabilitate them?
 
GVC said:
Really? You fail to see how there might be reasons why they did what they did? That maybe we can learn more about abuse and its consequences? That perhaps we can use this knowledge to better isolate dangerous people?
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In all reality, no, I don't think there's much of a lesson there. By that I mean all of this is already known, and if you're contemplating ****ing a child, I doubt that:

-You don't already know the influence it will have on the child
-You certainly don't care

It's moot. Everyone knows you're not supposed to **** or murder children. I assume anyone that does was abused. That doesn't make my mind venture into any territory remotely near excusing. No one has excused what Josh has done, but there are sentiments being expressed that are in that territory. As far as I go and as far as I would hope everyone else is concerned, it won't be had. But I can't control that.
 
This is as much a lesson to be learned as hearing that someone driving like a complete idiot got in a car crash: DUH.
 
this is for trout

who said

"I sure would like to see any instance of anyone showing compassion for poor Josh Powell, or anyone saying anything like that about his kids. "
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Probably nobody could do that but Jesus. But here, I'll give it a go.

Please overlook all this, all disbelievers and otherwise rational folks. . . . .

Let's suppose that all God's children waiting to come to earth and get their mortal SUVs are asking questions before signing up for the deal. "Can you guarantee that my SUV will do wheelies and leave everybody in the dust? "Can you make mine jump higher, and longer, so I can dunk on everybody anytime I want?" "Can you guarantee that I won't just crash and burn?"

"Nope. Nope. Nope"

OK, let's rephrase it on more spiritual terms. . . .

"Will my parents be good?" "Will I be White and Delightsome"? "Will people treat me right"? "Will I learn what's right?"

"Ask them when you get there, see if they'll listen to you better than they listen to me."

"To whom? You're my kid, and you'll end up looking like me, if you want to."

"Certainly not, and neither will you always treat others right. Learn from the mistakes/evil of others and try to do better. I will treat you right, I will over-rule everyone else in the end. If you will give me the faith it takes for me to be involved."

"OK, class, all I promise is to bring you home and give you the you you will choose for yourself to be;, and send you to a place you deserve in the end. Take it or leave it".

Our best pyschiatric professionals who try to understand the things that make us what we are, and how we develop under observed circumstances, probably would agree that being molested as a child by an adult authority figure is a particularly iffy thing to explain. The mind can respond in different ways, with either choice of will or particulars in the circumstance. But it is a significant trend that the abused do frequently become abusers. Kids need good parents, and there are lots of ways we can go wrong.

I figure there might be some reasons if God turns away sometimes from some nations that are getting pretty awful in their ways.

Just no way to justify sending kids into circumstances like that.

And all that said as general caveats, here's what Jesus will do for Josh, and his father. (1) In Brigham Young's judgment, dissolve them into their primal elements, destroy their identity or identiability as having anything to do with Him.

(2) In Pacific Garden Mission christianity, or maybe modern LDS christianity,warehouse them somewhere, give them shelter, books to read, chores to do, and lots of solicitous ministers to go over bible verses with them, to see if they still won't just call out for Jesus to save them from their sins, and make new men of them. . . . . after which they will help minister to the lost and damned of mankind.

I'm of divided opinion about which of these is the torment, and which is the mercy.

But I basically think we are all damned unless we get some help.

Which is why Jesus.

Now folks, back to your self-sufficiency and games.
 
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I know you did that for me, but seriously, are you ****ed up right now? That made zero sense. None.
 
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