Game Thread Feb 16, 2022 08:00PM MT: Jazz at Lakers

[NUMBERICA]

That's not a tough situation to defend at all. Again, there is a reason why the Lakers stink....it's because they are so easy to defend. The Jazz opted to let LeBron have any 1v1 of his choice and just prayed that he wouldn't score. On that play, we basically gave a red hot LeBron a great look at 3 point shot that he was lining up the whole play. What if whoever was guarding THT or RWB simply trapped LeBron instead of letting LeBron set up his signature shot? I'm not talking about a fake dig to maybe sway him from driving, I'm talking about literally having two guys on him just like the Lakers did with Mitchell.

It's a complete BS narrative that we simply couldn't do anything against LeBron....Lakers took Don completely out of the game by trapping. That works against the Lakers because they've got no shooters. That shouldn't work against us because all we have is shooters and Rudy is standing at the basket.

I mean we can sit here and diagram it from our couches but I’m not sure that’s how it works in the moment. But yeah, that would’ve been the right thing to do provided you weren’t leaving the back door open (they were).

There just isn’t the wherewithal with this team (to your point).

 

[NUMBERICA]

He’s the greatest player of all-time and he unfortunately plays for the Lakers.

MJ had a better park but at a certain point the unrelenting volume of Lebron has to win out. I don’t hear people talk a lot about the benefits Jordan might’ve gotten taking a ****ing year and a half off (and sorry, no one can convince me that baseball is as physically taxing or challenging to an athlete as basketball is. It’s mostly standing around).

 

[jom2003]

It’s on Quinn for not closing the game with the guys on the bench who play better, but the bigger issue is the roster and we all know it. This team either blows a team out or gets walloped in a close game. A team that can’t win close games is seriously flawed and shows we don’t have the right guys. Royce always gets boneheaded in the clutch, Gobert becomes a lot less valuable down the stretch and is very limited on how he can be effective, and sometimes it just doesn’t feel like Conley has enough, though he’s not the main problem. Mitchell is a super star, but the team around him just isn’t enough.

But I totally agree man, Really got to shake this roster up in a big way. This off-season will probably be our last chance. If we rewind this same team a fourth time I’ll ask Mitchell to take me with him to New York.

quin's refusal to adjust his rotation during games is exactly why we won't get a major roster shakeup.

he's so committed to his guys that he wouldn't even take them off the floor when they were clearly struggling. so why would he agree to trade them out of team entirely?

didn't he call off a Jingles trade last summer?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I can't get over it. Royce should have attacked that close-out from Reaves that led to a throw-away. It's the epitome of what's wrong with this team. They're trying to run some ball-movement system instead of making the right play.

 

[KqWIN]

I mean we can sit here and diagram it from our couches but I’m not sure that’s how it works in the moment. But yeah, that would’ve been the right thing to do provided you weren’t leaving the back door open (they were).

There just isn’t the wherewithal with this team (to your point).

That's how it works for every team with a good coach. I don't think Vogel is god's gift to coaching for trying to take the ball out of the best (offensive) player's hands. That's as old as time. I also don't think every other coach is a genius for doubling LeBron when they don't have shooting. Like I said, there's a reason why the Laker's stink this year despite LeBron's greatness.

Predicting into the future that Royce is going to make a bad play and subbing in someone else that theoretically wouldn't have made that bad decision is not a real strategy. I think all those complaints are hindsight 20/20. But simply adjusting to a trap or trying to double team the only good player on the other team shouldn't be out of the realm of Quin's capabilities. The reason why the Jazz look so scrambled is because the other team makes one simple adjustment to counter what the Jazz are doing and we have nothing else.

Hard doubling Don shouldn't work. The Jazz have multiple shooters, scorers, and playmakers to eat up a 4v3. I get it if it surprises you to begin with, but one timeout should clean that up. You know it's coming and it's not hard to beat. Likewise, you know LeBron is the only player making anything happen so maybe send more defensive attention his way. You have to know that LeBron is ****ing great, and the other Lakers not so much. I really do not think that is too much to ask for.

 

[jom2003]

No one is immune from having bad games.

Only the best of the best players justify guaranteed minutes no matter how bad they were playing

 

[infection]

We haven’t won an overtime game in over 4 years. We’re 0-8. We’ve been able to remedy that this year by not once forcing an overtime.

 

[jom2003]

I can't get over it. Royce should have attacked that close-out from Reaves that led to a throw-away. It's the epitome of what's wrong with this team. They're trying to run some ball-movement system instead of making the right play.

it got nothing to do with gameplan or system of the team. it's not the first effed-up by Royce and he's done that so many times in the past that I'm pretty sure that one was 100% on him

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

it got nothing to do with gameplan or system of the team. it's not the first effed-up by Royce and he's done that so many times in the past that I'm pretty sure that one was 100% on him

The Lakers are playing small. Royce has a drive to the rim. Who is going to stop him? If someone comes over, he can pass off.

 

[fallenchicken]

quin's refusal to adjust his rotation during games is exactly why we won't get a major roster shakeup.

he's so committed to his guys that he wouldn't even take them off the floor when they were clearly struggling. so why would he agree to trade them out of team entirely?

didn't he call off a Jingles trade last summer?

If he refuses to make the changes we all know he needs to make and become more flexible down the stretch of this season, then we should let him go. As long as we majorly shake up the roster as well.

I don’t think Ainge is going to ask Snyder for permission. When this team goes out in the first round, it’s going to be a major embarrassment, the ownership group will not be happy and neither will our best player. It’s why I’m actually glad Ainge is here. Feel like our front office has been too attached to these guys. Ainge is a sociopath. He will do what needs to be done.

 

[outerspacefan]

I can't get over it. Royce should have attacked that close-out from Reaves that led to a throw-away. It's the epitome of what's wrong with this team. They're trying to run some ball-movement system instead of making the right play.

I think I've said it from time to time the last couple of years... this team appears to be overcoached, and I think it's kind of a natural byproduct of old habits instilled when everything was about adapting around Rudy.

 

[jom2003]

If he refuses to make the changes we all know he needs to make and become more flexible down the stretch of this season, then we should let him go. As long as we majorly shake up the roster as well.

I don’t think Ainge is going to ask Snyder for permission. When this team goes out in the first round, it’s going to be a major embarrassment, the ownership group will not be happy and neither will our best player. It’s why I’m actually glad Ainge is here. Feel like our front office has been too attached to these guys. Ainge is a sociopath. He will do what needs to be done.

yeah i agree. we have to trade some players to force quin's hand. it's a vicious cycle that needs to be broken somehow