Federal Court Overrules Brady's Suspension

[Red]

Hmm..K .. but if it is against the rule a 4 game suspension seems light to me.. shouldn't the Patriots be stripped off their Championship status for doing something so illegal?

Let's not forget just how flawed the Wells report actually was:

https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/On-the-Wells-report.pdf

Abstract:

In the current “Deflategate” controversy, the New England Patriots have been accused of illicitly deflating footballs before the start of their 2015 American Football Conference championship game against the Indianapolis Colts. The National Football League and the lawyers it hired have produced a report—commonly known as the “Wells report”—that has been used to justify penalties against the Patriots and quarterback Tom Brady. Although the Wells report finds that the Patriots footballs declined in pressure significantly more than the Colts balls in the first half of the game, our replication of the report’s analysis finds that it relies on an unorthodox statistical procedure at odds with the methodology the report describes. It also fails to investigate all relevant scenarios. In addition, it focuses only on the difference between the Colts and Patriots pressure drops. Such a difference, however, can be caused either by the pressure in the Patriots balls dropping below their expected value or by the pressure in the Colts balls rising above their expected value. The second of these two scenarios seems more likely based on the absolute pressure measurements. Logistically, the greater change in pressure in the Patriots footballs can be explained by the fact that sufficient time may have passed between halftime testing of the two teams’ balls for the Colts balls to warm significantly, effectively inflating them.

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This judge was not ruling on Brady's guilt/innocence. But the Wells Report and the 4 game suspension was a railroading, regardless. Our reporters here in southern New England are reporting Brady would have accepted one game, but the NFL said 3. The Wells Report was written with the conclusion already decided. Then weave the case as best you can. And man, what a terrible job they did. So Goodell now appeals and aims for a suspension in 2016, lol.

Here's a summary of the more scientific analysis outlined above. No matter what really happened in that game or any Brady game, this report did not agree with the Wells Report conclusions, and why let Wells railroad anybody?

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-o...se-institute-finds-wells-report-deeply-flawed

 

[The Midnight]

Well proving his guilt aside, on principle, if an athlete cheats with an intention to gain an unfair advantage, that athlete (or team) should be disqualified in my opinion.


That's how it's done in the Olympics and I believe that is the gold standard.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Well proving his guilt aside, on principle, if an athlete cheats with an intention to gain an unfair advantage, that athlete (or team) should be disqualified in my opinion.


That's how it's done in the Olympics and I believe that is the gold standard.

Jesus Christ.

 

[Miggs]

It still gave the Patriots the edge though right? Since it IS against the rule?


The final score was 28-24, I mean that to me is a pretty close game. If I were a Seahawks fan I'd be pissed about that.

It didn't happen in the Super Bowl. It happened the game before in which the Pats won by about 40.

 

[Miggs]

Wow, that is lenient. In the Olympics if you're caught taking performance enhancing drugs you're automatically stripped of your medals.


And to me that's how it should be. To me if what you did unlawfully gave you an advantage over your opponent, giving yourself an unfair advantage, then you simply should not be declared the winner.


Fair is fair.

I'd estimate 80% of NFL'ers use PED's.

 

[Miggs]

Well proving his guilt aside, on principle, if an athlete cheats with an intention to gain an unfair advantage, that athlete (or team) should be disqualified in my opinion.


That's how it's done in the Olympics and I believe that is the gold standard.

Yeah, the IOC is the real apex of sports' integrity in how they handle things.

 

[fishonjazz]

It still gave the Patriots the edge though right? Since it IS against the rule?


The final score was 28-24, I mean that to me is a pretty close game. If I were a Seahawks fan I'd be pissed about that.

Flopping is against the rules in basketball. Every team that ever won a chip should forfeit it right?

A ball got deflated..... And the game always brought up for the proof was a major blowout game that Brady didn't do much in..... The running game dominated. (This was a playoff game against indy)

I guarantee other teams messed with the psi in their football's. I know that other teams altered their football's and were caught doing it with no punishment. (Minnesota Vikings come to mind)

It was not a big enough cheat to punish too hard. Punishment should fit the crime.

Jaywalking is a crime. (Breaking the rules) So is murder. You don't hand out the same punishment for both.

 

[fishonjazz]

Wow, that is lenient. In the Olympics if you're caught taking performance enhancing drugs you're automatically stripped of your medals.


And to me that's how it should be. To me if what you did unlawfully gave you an advantage over your opponent, giving yourself an unfair advantage, then you simply should not be declared the winner.


Fair is fair.

Again. Flopping is against the rules in basketball.
Every player in the league should be fined, suspended, and the league should shut down right.
I mean they all cheated.
Fair is fair

 

[Stifle Tower]

Pretty dumb.
Also it was the nfl's retarded policy to allow each team to use, and manipulate, their own separate football's. They were just asking for someone to do something against the rules.
Nfl has no one to blame but themselves and they decide to go after arguably the best qb/player in nfl history.

Dumbasses

Agree. This is like kid's soccer where the home team has to provide 3 balls for the game. Does the NFL not have enough money to provide balls for each game? Maybe Goodell should contribute $100K from his inflated salary to do that. Problem solved!

 

[Stifle Tower]

Wow, that is lenient. In the Olympics if you're caught taking performance enhancing drugs you're automatically stripped of your medals.


And to me that's how it should be. To me if what you did unlawfully gave you an advantage over your opponent, giving yourself an unfair advantage, then you simply should not be declared the winner.


Fair is fair.

Whether lenient or not, that's the rule agreed upon by the owners and players. I'm not a Pats fan. In fact, I hate the Pats (not as much as the Ravens, Cowboys and Seahawks, but I still hate them). So to assess the same penalty as steroid use seems a bit strange. And remember, Brady's offense wasn't deflating the balls. It was primarily obstructing the investigation by not turning over his cell phone.

IINM, the Wells report concluded Brady was probably guilty. In the U.S. legal system, guilt has to be determined beyond a reasonable doubt. The NFL should, but doesn't follow the same requirements - especially because Goodell gets to act as judge, jury and executioner. I think ANY penalty handed down by Goodell should be voided. It is inherently wrong that he gets to assess all penalties and then handle the appeals of those same decisions.

 

[The Midnight]

Flopping is against the rules in basketball. Every team that ever won a chip should forfeit it right?

A ball got deflated..... And the game always brought up for the proof was a major blowout game that Brady didn't do much in..... The running game dominated. (This was a playoff game against indy)

I guarantee other teams messed with the psi in their football's. I know that other teams altered their football's and were caught doing it with no punishment. (Minnesota Vikings come to mind)

It was not a big enough cheat to punish too hard. Punishment should fit the crime.

Jaywalking is a crime. (Breaking the rules) So is murder. You don't hand out the same punishment for both.

I think there are some key differences though:


1. Flopping you are in the middle of the court playing in front of cameras, everything is there for people to see, there are 3 refs, everything is out in the open. That's not the case with changing the ball pressure where NOBODY can see or judge what you did.


2. Flopping is less serious because each act only impacts 1 play. Changing the ball pressure gives you an advantage for the WHOLE GAME, again without anybody knowing what you've done, as opposed to flopping where millions are watching on the TV and can make up their own mind. That is a BIG difference.


In terms of the severity I think you have to look not at what the perpetrator did but HOW that action impacts the outcome of the game as a whole. Having that ball to use for the WHOLE GAME gives 1 team a clear and significant advantage over the other IMO.

 

[fishonjazz]

In terms of the severity I think you have to look not at what the perpetrator did but HOW that action impacts the outcome of the game as a whole. Having that ball to use for the WHOLE GAME gives 1 team a clear and significant advantage over the other IMO.

A. I'm glad that you are now agreeing that severity matters.

B. How do you know that the other team didn't do something to the football that they were using during the game?

C. There is still no proof that Brady even did anything