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Okay. But my original point was that you can just as easily compare MCW to Magic as you can to Livingston simply because they're tall PG's when theorizing on how well they would produce in today's NBA. I'm sure Magic would have been amazing today, even with a higher emphasis on 3PT shooting.

Not really. Comparing players to scrubs is much easier (and usually more accurate) than comparing them to HOF's.
 
I'm not saying there's nothing similar about their games (not that I know Livingston that well), but the point I'm trying to make is that the question we should be asking ourselves is whether or not there are enough differences? What about MCW's great rebound and steal numbers? Livingston never put up big numbers in those categories. And why should I not believe that MCW isn't a better passer? The dude is averaging 10 APG, not to mention a top 5 assist % in NCAA history, all against elite competition. Why should I assume that someone putting up historical assists numbers like that will only average 3.4 APG in the NBA like Livingston?

You don't have to assume that, or anything else. Livingston played a lot of his limited career as a combo guard, playing SG next to players like Sam Cassel with the Clippers. There probably isn't a perfect comparison for Carter-Williams, but if I had to come up with one, the closest would be Livingston. MCW might be a better passer and might be more durable. It's just sometimes hard to judge a player like MCW and project how he'll do in the pros. So I look for players with similar physical attributes, similar quickness and skills, and try to predict whether their games will translate to the NBA.

I would probably give the edge to MCW over Trey Burke for the Jazz, just based on size and length alone, as well as the ability to finish inside. Trey Burke's biggest knock is that he's really under 6'0", so it limits his upside. Some teams might think he's not really a starter if physically he compares to players like Jameer Nelson and J.J. Barea. Chris Paul might not really be 6'0", but he's a world-class talent surrounded by good players to pass to. FWIW, I like Burke as a prospect more than Kemba Walker and Jimmer Fredette, because he's a real PG with good skills and toughness.

I'd rank the PGs as MCW, then Burke, then CJ McCollum right now.
 
You don't have to assume that, or anything else. Livingston played a lot of his limited career as a combo guard, playing SG next to players like Sam Cassel with the Clippers. There probably isn't a perfect comparison for Carter-Williams, but if I had to come up with one, the closest would be Livingston. MCW might be a better passer and might be more durable. It's just sometimes hard to judge a player like MCW and project how he'll do in the pros. So I look for players with similar physical attributes, similar quickness and skills, and try to predict whether their games will translate to the NBA.

I would probably give the edge to MCW over Trey Burke for the Jazz, just based on size and length alone, as well as the ability to finish inside. Trey Burke's biggest knock is that he's really under 6'0", so it limits his upside. Some teams might think he's not really a starter if physically he compares to players like Jameer Nelson and J.J. Barea. Chris Paul might not really be 6'0", but he's a world-class talent surrounded by good players to pass to. FWIW, I like Burke as a prospect more than Kemba Walker and Jimmer Fredette, because he's a real PG with good skills and toughness.

I'd rank the PGs as MCW, then Burke, then CJ McCollum right now.

This right here shows me it's not that great of a comparison. Make no mistake, MCW is a PG. He's not a SG in the slightest. I can see him guarding SG's, sure, but his job on offense is to run the team.

Right now, I'd guess that your rankings of the PG's is probably the order they'll be drafted in.
 
DX is about to update in about an hour and they're moving Burke DOWN from 20 to 21.

Keeping Goodwin and Poythress in top 10.

No Willie Cauley-Stein in 1st round.

I'm not impressed with the new list.

DX has been wrong before - it had Lillard in the mid teens last year as well.

Also Givony was quoted as saying he'd draft Biyombo over Kanter. What was that about?!?!
 
DX has been wrong before - it had Lillard in the mid teens last year as well.

Also Givony was quoted as saying he'd draft Biyombo over Kanter. What was that about?!?!

Givony is a dweeb and he dug his heels in on the hate ..

I really look to him ONLY for his euro opinions .. mainly because I have none at all .. well .. that and he actually goes across the ocean to watch them.
 
This right here shows me it's not that great of a comparison. Make no mistake, MCW is a PG. He's not a SG in the slightest. I can see him guarding SG's, sure, but his job on offense is to run the team.

Right now, I'd guess that your rankings of the PG's is probably the order they'll be drafted in.

PG draft order must have several *'s.

Are you drafting a pure PG that is a safe bet? (Trey)
Are you drafting a PG with attributes that could be viewed as greater upside/risk? (MCW)
Are you drafting a guy that can bring the ball up and is a natural scorer at the PG spot? (McCollum)

There's no one size fits all answer ..
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McCollum's got that he's-a-senior knock against him, plus he's going to be out most of, or the rest of, the season.
Trey Burke isn't necessarily a safe bet due to his limited size and ability to finish at the rim.
I think that leaves Carter-Williams.

That said, if I had the chance, I would draft Archie Goodwin and get a PG later in the draft. I still like Goodwin's game as much or even more than Shabazz right now.
 
DX has been wrong before - it had Lillard in the mid teens last year as well.

Lillard wasn't on anyone's draft board at the beginning of last season. I guess absolutely none of them know what they're talking about because some kid from Utah.
 
PG draft order must have several *'s.

Are you drafting a pure PG that is a safe bet? (Trey)
Are you drafting a PG with attributes that could be viewed as greater upside/risk? (MCW)
Are you drafting a guy that can bring the ball up and is a natural scorer at the PG spot? (McCollum)

There's no one size fits all answer ..
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Sure, sure.

We really need to include Marcus Smart in the PG discussion, though. Great size, explosion, BBIQ, and competitiveness. 14 PPG, 6 RPG, 5 APG, 3 SPG, 1 BPG as a freshman is pretty damn good.

He'll be playing on ESPN2 Saturday at 1 PM MST.
 
PG draft order must have several *'s.

Are you drafting a pure PG that is a safe bet? (Trey)
Are you drafting a PG with attributes that could be viewed as greater upside/risk? (MCW)
Are you drafting a guy that can bring the ball up and is a natural scorer at the PG spot? (McCollum)

There's no one size fits all answer ..
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And if you're drafting a PG to be BAWSE'r den a mo ****a...........

You Draft Myck Kabongo.

Pronounced Mike for all the none insiders out there.
 
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