Game Of Thrones

[One Brow]

My first suspicion was that the reason for this was that the episodes were directed by different people, but Miguel Sapochnik directed them both. So there's really no excuse for it.

I agree the directing was poor, but in Episode 4 it's explicitly stated that about half each the Dothraki and Unsullied were lost, leaving ~20,000 Dothraki, ~4,000 Unsullied, and who knows how many northmen?

 

[Zombie]

I agree the directing was poor, but in Episode 4 it's explicitly stated that about half each the Dothraki and Unsullied were lost, leaving ~20,000 Dothraki, ~4,000 Unsullied, and who knows how many northmen?

I probably missed that line because I was too busy rolling my eyes at some other nonsense that was happening haha

I mean fair enough I guess, but the idea that fully half of the Dothraki survived that cavalry charge when it is communicated visually to the viewer that they nearly all died is really ****** storytelling.

 

[One Brow]

I probably missed that line because I was too busy rolling my eyes at some other nonsense that was happening haha

They are at the war table, removing markers from the map. Your eye muscles must have gotten plenty of work this season.

 

[Zombie]

They are at the war table, removing markers from the map. Your eye muscles must have gotten plenty of work this season.

Oh they most certainly did.

 

[yamers]

Episode looked like they lost every ****ing person.

 

[Stoked]

I think his point is that they did a poor job of depicting how many survivors there were after the battle at winterfell. They showed all the Dothraki charge the undead and very few return. Now, it could be that they intended for many more of the Dothraki to survive that charge, but they didn't do a good job of communicating that to the viewers. The same is true of the Unsullied, by the end of that episode you got the sense that the armies were almost completely wiped out, they completely lost the walls and there were no scenes of thousands or even hundreds of men waiting in retreat.

Cut to a few episodes later and there they all are! Enough to man a fleet of warships and an army to march south.

My first suspicion was that the reason for this was that the episodes were directed by different people, but Miguel Sapochnik directed them both. So there's really no excuse for it.

This. They intentionally present it as if they were out through the meat grinder.

And the. Lawl, kidding. Here’s everyone.

And that leads me into even more critique of the let down of the Army of the Dead. They didn’t even need the forces of the anyone outside of their own men. No Lannister’s, Vale knights, river lands, storm lands.... For such a big threat they fell rather easily.

 

[Stoked]

I'd call that more lazy directing and editing.

You’d be correct. Edited my post

 

[LogGrad98]

The worst thing about the battle of winterfell was that if there were 20k+ dothraki and unsullied where the hell were they? Not even half way through the place was depicted as a wasteland with the entire Castle overrun by the dead and only our headlining heroes there to help anyone. Again, crappy writing.

This season had so much crappy writing I wonder how many rolls of toilet paper the script was written on.

 

[Archie Moses]

The worst thing about the battle of winterfell was that if there were 20k+ dothraki and unsullied where the hell were they? Not even half way through the place was depicted as a wasteland with the entire Castle overrun by the dead and only our headlining heroes there to help anyone. Again, crappy writing.

This season had so much crappy writing I wonder how many rolls of toilet paper the script was written on.

No.

The worst thing was the writers had the women, children and helpless take shelter in the crypt while fighting the army of the dead that was lead by, you know, a guy that raises the dead.

I still can't swallow that.

I agree that they made it look like there were only a handful of survivors and then viola there's a huge army.

The whole season was pretty terrible.

 

[Stoked]

No.

The worst thing was the writers had the women, children and helpless take shelter in the crypt while fighting the army of the dead that was lead by, you know, a guy that raises the dead.

I still can't swallow that.

I agree that they made it look like there were only a handful of survivors and then viola there's a huge army.

The whole season was pretty terrible.

Yeah, as soon as I heard they’d be hiding in the crypt I started to laugh.

Also what about all that “training anyone over the age of 12” talk?

 

[fishonjazz]

Episode looked like they lost every ****ing person.

Ya it looked like there was about 15 people left fighting for the living there at the end just before Arya killed the night King

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[silesian]

I agree she is not meek nor timid. She is also not complicit. She has no authority nor power to prevent Viserys's death. There's a different between not being mournful and being complicit.

Merely "Not mournful" mischaracterizes Dany in that scene.

Look at her face, she is confident, cool and approving of Drogon

She wanted him dead

He just threatened to cut her child from her womb

She watched the entire head scalding episode

She never said a word in protest

When she told Viserys that he was getting his crown, she knew that he was about to get murdered.

She appeared pleased

Her last line indicates that he deserved to die.


Complicit: involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing.


100% complicit

 

[Keefe]

I probably missed that line because I was too busy rolling my eyes at some other nonsense that was happening haha

I mean fair enough I guess, but the idea that fully half of the Dothraki survived that cavalry charge when it is communicated visually to the viewer that they nearly all died is really ****** storytelling.

You assume that the Dothraki put all of their men there.

 

[Zombie]

You assume that the Dothraki put all of their men there.

The show gave us no reason to think otherwise.

 

[Zombie]

I agree it was surprising. I don’t think that surprises are bad. Nor are they evidence that the writers are idiots.

Surprises are satisfying when the veiwer can look back at and make sense of the events leading up to the surprise. Take Ned's death in season one for example, it's surprising when it happens but when you take all the events of season one together, it makes sense that it happened to him.

Dany's forces seemingly multiplying out of nowhere with no explanation isn't a well thought out or satisfying surprise.

 

[fishonjazz]

You assume that the Dothraki put all of their men there.

I would definitely assume that they put all of their men in the battle against the dead. Pretty important battle imo.

If that assumption is right, and I'm quite certain it is, then the ending it that battle only showed a handful of people left. None of them dothraki.

Maybe they teleported more dothraki from across the seas to battle cersei. They got pretty good at teleporting at the end of the show

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[LogGrad98]

Surprises are satisfying when the veiwer can look back at and make sense of the events leading up to the surprise. Take Ned's death in season one for example, it's surprising when it happens but when you take all the events of season one together, it makes sense that it happened to him.

Dany's forces seemingly multiplying out of nowhere with no explanation isn't a well thought out or satisfying surprise.

You have just defined the difference between a surprise and a mistake.

 

[LogGrad98]

I would definitely assume that they put all of their men in the battle against the dead. Pretty important battle imo.

If that assumption is right, and I'm quite certain it is, then the ending it that battle only showed a handful of people left. None of them dothraki.

Maybe they teleported more dothraki from across the seas to battle cersei. They got pretty good at teleporting at the end of the show

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I don't even think that is an assumption. It was all but stated outright in the narrative. Especially after they found out no one was coming from the south to help. No way in hell they were like "hey, 20,000 of you go ahead and take the day off. Come back later for a different battle. Pretty sure this won't be any big deal."

 

[silesian]

Surprises are satisfying when the veiwer can look back at and make sense of the events leading up to the surprise. Take Ned's death in season one for example, it's surprising when it happens but when you take all the events of season one together, it makes sense that it happened to him.

Dany's forces seemingly multiplying out of nowhere with no explanation isn't a well thought out or satisfying surprise.

I totally see your point. It was kinda weird. It just didn't bother me or interfere with my enjoyment.

And I'm a cynical guy who sometimes has trouble suspending disbelief.

 

[Zombie]

I totally see your point. It was kinda weird. It just didn't bother me or interfere with my enjoyment.

And I'm a cynical guy who sometimes has trouble suspending disbelief.

Yeah that's cool, I guess if the much of the last few seasons weren't full of other headscratching moments this wouldn't be such a big deal. As it is it's just another example of how this show lost its way.