General NBA Craziness and How it Applies to Utah

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't know if the Bucks would sacrifice 7 spots in the draft. And doesn't Hawes have a player option?

Personally, I think the no brainer trade is for Beverley. It's a good message to Hayward, but one that works whether he stays or goes. $6 million the next two years will not get in the way of keeping Hill and Ingles too if that's what Hayward wants. We can make that happen through additional moves.

Beverley is the smartest move we can make and I bet we make it if we don't find something bigger first.

We can do both moves... we have 13M in capspace and Diaw's contract. Hawes will almost certainly exercise the option. He'd get a contract next year but it'd likely be vet min.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't know if the Bucks would sacrifice 7 spots in the draft. And doesn't Hawes have a player option?

Personally, I think the no brainer trade is for Beverley. It's a good message to Hayward, but one that works whether he stays or goes. $6 million the next two years will not get in the way of keeping Hill and Ingles too if that's what Hayward wants. We can make that happen through additional moves.

Beverley is the smartest move we can make and I bet we make it if we don't find something bigger first.

I think they are looking at a center right now and at 24 one of Bam, Ike, or Patton is surely available.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

The San Antonio Spurs have "strong interest" in both Chris Paul and Derrick Rose.
The Spurs have been maneuvering their cap situation in order to clear space to pursue free agents.*San Antonio is even considering trading away LaMarcus Aldridge.
Rose will come at a significantly lower cost for the Spurs than Paul. The Los Angeles Clippers are expected to offer Paul a max contract at 35 percent of the cap, while Rose could only command up to 30 percent of the cap, which he's unlikely to even receive considering the point guard market.
Rose has said he would like to re-sign with the New York Knicks.

Interesting that they are interested in Rose but no mention of Hill.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Interesting that they are interested in Rose but no mention of Hill.

Who is Rose's agent... feel like the Spurs are doing someone a solid by throwing this out there.

 

[LoPo]

I think they are looking at a center right now and at 24 one of Bam, Ike, or Patton is surely available.

I see what you are saying. So hypothetically (if Hawes opted into the $6+ for next year), we could:

#1 Take Hawes for switching #17 and #24 but I think we probably throw in #55 to make it happen

#2 Take Beverley for #30 or the 2018 OKC pick although I prefer #30.

I guess it's possible. It's not really sexy, but it's possible. Shows Hayward that we're trying to improve the roster with the space that we have.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I see what you are saying. So hypothetically (if Hawes opted into the $6+ for next year), we could:

#1 Take Hawes for switching #17 and #24 but I think we probably throw in #55 to make it happen

#2 Take Beverley for #30 or the 2018 OKC pick although I prefer #30.

I guess it's possible. It's not really sexy, but it's possible. Shows Hayward that we're trying to improve the roster with the space that we have.

Yeah I think the OKC pick becomes more valuable because there is no cap hold for it and Houston is trying to drop salary. Not sure if the cap hold for #30 is much more than the min salary roster spot.

No deal involving Spencer Hawes is ever sexy... I apologize.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Just saw that Love was not generating enough trade interest to get George or Butler...

I would think Indiana would do Hood, #24, Favs, and Lyles for Love in a three team trade. Substitute the OKC pick if you need to for Lyles. If Love meant Hayward would stay (I think it would help him go from torn to "hey this might work") then I'd be all over this.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Who is Rose's agent... feel like the Spurs are doing someone a solid by throwing this out there.

Quite possible. However, I wonder if the relationship between spurs management and DL might prevent them from going after Hill. This is a pretty critical year for him in his career, and they might not want to help wreck it when they should have plenty of other options.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

LMA is on his way out from SA. I doubt they are getting the high pick they were looking for. Not a huge fan, but he could be an option if Hayward leaves.

 

[NAOS]

LMA would be great next to Rudy. Would cost less than Love, too. Why does this need to be a 'if Hay leaves' scenario?

 

[LoPo]

I'm not a LMA fan with or without Hayward. I don't think he puts us past GS in the next couple years barring some lucky injury to GS. He is vastly overpaid and I think San Antonio realizes that.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm indifferent on LMA... he's a cautionary tale for Hayward... had that **** happened in Boston he'd get killed.

If the price is right he is good. I won't give up much though. I think he's appropriately paid now, but could struggle in the future.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

LMA would be great next to Rudy. Would cost less than Love, too. Why does this need to be a 'if Hay leaves' scenario?

I guess it doesn't, but SA is looking for cap room. Utah could trade Diaw and picks to get it done. Don't think we can afford Hill at that point, but maybe they could get creative/move Burks and Favors. I really think we should avoid the tax for one more year.

Also, I believe this trade would have to happen before July so we can use that cap room we have left over. Therefore, it can't really be an if Hay leaves scenario. I guess I just think he'd be a good plan B to replace some of the offense we lose.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Actually only two years left and one is a players option... if the price is right I'm in.

 

[Park Bites]

I like the idea of adding LMA to this team. Next to gobert it would be a nice pairing.

 

[infection]

Just saw that Love was not generating enough trade interest to get George or Butler...

I would think Indiana would do Hood, #24, Favs, and Lyles for Love in a three team trade. Substitute the OKC pick if you need to for Lyles. If Love meant Hayward would stay (I think it would help him go from torn to "hey this might work") then I'd be all over this.

I really see this as the only feasible big move we could make.

 

[Park Bites]

If SA dropped LMA for basically nothing and green they could add Griffin and CP3. Add in Danny grean and get tony parker to retire or do that split his contract into little parts.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I'm indifferent on LMA... he's a cautionary tale for Hayward... had that **** happened in Boston he'd get killed.

If the price is right he is good. I won't give up much though. I think he's appropriately paid now, but could struggle in the future.

Yeah, they were looking for a top 10 pick, which I doubt they get, so it would probably cost us 2 late firsts, which I think is steep considering his contract.

IDK if I'd want to pay that if I knew Hayward was coming back, but I probably would if I knew he was gone.

Edit: Screw that. Not giving 2 firsts for a player that could bolt in a year.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Actually only two years left and one is a players option... if the price is right I'm in.

Yeah, they aren't getting a top 10 pick, and I couldn't even see giving them 2 late firsts if he has the PO after a year.

What's the right price though? They are nuts asking for a top 10 pick.

The more I think about, the cap space they are getting is really valuable to them. I think the 30 is the highest I'd pay.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, they were looking for a top 10 pick, which I doubt they get, so it would probably cost us 2 late firsts, which I think is steep considering his contract.

IDK if I'd want to pay that if I knew Hayward was coming back, but I probably would if I knew he was gone.

It would be something like Favs and space, plus #24, Lyles for LMA. Favs goes to a 3rd team with enough space or expirings and they give a minor asset.

I wouldn't blow my wad for LMA but it would be a solid addition.