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Get off our plane! Now!

Wes Mantooth said:
The same doctor who was arrested on multiple felony drug charges as it relates to his profession and wasn't allowed to practice for 10 years until Kentucky was dumb enough to let him do so in 2015?

That doctor?

Do the hospitals in Elizabethtown have no other doctors and do they solely rely on him and if so, why was he out of town?

Surely this doctor is so educated he knew the fine print that came with the ticket he purchased?

The practice is dumb as ****. It should be changed. Hopefully this will help do so. But this doesn't change the fact that the guy was a little ******* and didn't listen to authorities despite buying a ticket that specified such airline practices. It doesn't change the fact that he didn't have to wait til the next day for a flight and could've just pocketed the $1,600 between him and his wife and driven the 4.5 hours back to Louisville.

The guy was a douche. Period.
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It was a voucher not cash. Read the fine print hard ***.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
The same doctor who was arrested on multiple felony drug charges as it relates to his profession and wasn't allowed to practice for 10 years until Kentucky was dumb enough to let him do so in 2015?

That doctor?

Do the hospitals in Elizabethtown have no other doctors and do they solely rely on him and if so, why was he out of town?

Surely this doctor is so educated he knew the fine print that came with the ticket he purchased?

The practice is dumb as ****. It should be changed. Hopefully this will help do so. But this doesn't change the fact that the guy was a little ******* and didn't listen to authorities despite buying a ticket that specified such airline practices. It doesn't change the fact that he didn't have to wait til the next day for a flight and could've just pocketed the $1,600 between him and his wife and driven the 4.5 hours back to Louisville.

The guy was a douche. Period.
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What the guy did before in his life is irrelevant. United didn't act based on his past.
 
Hekate said:
What the guy did before in his life is irrelevant. United didn't act based on his past.
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I stated such because Dalamon had referenced his being a doctor and needing to get back to his patients, as if he was some great man, adhering to his oath, and living life the right way.
 
first of all, companies often sell more of a product than they have available

haven't you ever gotten an "currently out of stock" notice on something you've ordered?

Secondly, people DO pay for refundable tickets and then don't show up - - somewhat common in business class actually. Why should that seat go empty if there's somebody who really wants to get to that destination?

That said, the plane probably should NOT have boarded until the situation was straightened out. But again, there really is not an easy answer. If planes have to fly with empty seats because of no-shows, we'll all pay the price - especially those who purchase at the lowest price point.

Anyhow, an update to this specific situation - apparently it was not a United flight per sé, but a partner airline that provides service to Louisville, and it was a smallish "communter" plane. And the employees who needed the seats were crew members who were scheduled to fly an outbound flight out of Louisville.

Four crew members needed to get on the flight in order to work another one in Louisville or else that flight would be canceled, airline spokeswoman Maddie King said.
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Passenger Tyler Bridges said the request for volunteers came after everyone had boarded. It was easy to understand why no one responded -- it was Sunday night and the next flight was not until the following afternoon
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At the end of the day - do not fly United. Their service is terrible, planes are outdated and they have poor safety record.
 
The airlines should sell overbook protection up to a certain percentage of the seats. It seems like a fair way to do it. Then you are selecting from a group that paid less for the same seat. That person has also self screened themself. If it was crazy important for them to make it to their destination on time then they would have bought the protection.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Did I say it was cash? Learn how to read, *******.
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Yes you said "pocket the $1600". Not my fault you can not explain yourself. Also it was 4 total, read the "FINE PRINT" asterisks I am assuming we're *******.

[MENTION=84]moevillini[/MENTION] an [MENTION=499]LogGrad98[/MENTION] this practice, while legal, should be outlawed. You ain't talkin rain checks on a mattress or sofa sale when your entire trip is dependent on that flight. You miss your cruise cause United has cops drag you off the plane oh well. That really what you want to stance?

Solution is easy to moevellini get rid of early cancellation. Plan your trip an pay for it stead of being a spoilt brat an demanding refunds. Trump will fix this.
 
♪alt13 said:
The airlines should sell overbook protection up to a certain percentage of the seats. It seems like a fair way to do it. Then you are selecting from a group that paid less for the same seat. That person has also self screened themself. If it was crazy important for them to make it to their destination on time then they would have bought the protection.
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Are you daring to ask people to pay for what they get?
 
moevillini said:
first of all, companies often sell more of a product than they have available

haven't you ever gotten an "currently out of stock" notice on something you've ordered?
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Yes, but it generally happens before you buy it. Amazon will tell you whether they can ship something right away or not. I bought a treadmill last week and was told, in red print, before I paid for the purchase, that they do not have it in stock and it will be shipped April 8th. That's very different from a not-so-random lottery to figure out who's getting the treadmill now and who's getting it later.

Secondly, people DO pay for refundable tickets and then don't show up - - somewhat common in business class actually. Why should that seat go empty if there's somebody who really wants to get to that destination?
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Because that's how businesses work. My wife and I had 4 nights in a hotel just outside Yellowstone booked couple of years ago. The booking was refundable up until 24 hours before the check-in date. The day before, we were packing and my wife could not find her passport. We cancelled. The hotel probably did not find someone else on 24 hours' notice. Should hotels overbook as well, to compensate?
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Holy hell in a handbag. Give me a ****ing break. Not to sound like Hack here, but liberals have crossed the line of becoming annoying as ****.

This is very simple. When you buy an airline ticket, there is unfortunately fine print and within that fine print it states that the airline has the right to remove you if overbooked. That's what happened here. The airline needed four volunteers to get off. Three volunteers stepped forward like adults, receiving $800 for doing so too I might add. This guy decided like an insolent little child to remain in his seat. Authorities had to be called in. He wouldn't listen. The cops had to remove him. Cry me a ****ing river.
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I thought the word "volunteer" meant something else.
 
Revolution 9 said:
It wasnt a good move for the company period.

United Airlines stock holders and now paying for their idiot CEO.
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Dude, it's an airline. They can't fail. Are you really going to not fly United if you have to get somewhere and the flight you need to catch is United? The commercial flight industry is an oligopoly.
 
JimLes said:
Yes, but it generally happens before you buy it. Amazon will tell you whether they can ship something right away or not. I bought a treadmill last week and was told, in red print, before I paid for the purchase, that they do not have it in stock and it will be shipped April 8th. That's very different from a not-so-random lottery to figure out who's getting the treadmill now and who's getting it later.



Because that's how businesses work. My wife and I had 4 nights in a hotel just outside Yellowstone booked couple of years ago. The booking was refundable up until 24 hours before the check-in date. The day before, we were packing and my wife could not find her passport. We cancelled. The hotel probably did not find someone else on 24 hours' notice. Should hotels overbook as well, to compensate?
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Many hotels do overbook
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I stated such because Dalamon had referenced his being a doctor and needing to get back to his patients, as if he was some great man, adhering to his oath, and living life the right way.
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Doing drugs isnt living the right way? **** out of here.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Holy hell in a handbag. Give me a ****ing break. Not to sound like Hack here, but liberals have crossed the line of becoming annoying as ****.

This is very simple. When you buy an airline ticket, there is unfortunately fine print and within that fine print it states that the airline has the right to remove you if overbooked. That's what happened here. The airline needed four volunteers to get off. Three volunteers stepped forward like adults, receiving $800 for doing so too I might add. This guy decided like an insolent little child to remain in his seat. Authorities had to be called in. He wouldn't listen. The cops had to remove him. Cry me a ****ing river.
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still no reason to initiate FORCE! the good ole days the asian man should have pulled a gun and killed the officers!
 
moevillini said:
United needed the four seats for employees who wanted/needed to get to Louisville.

Definitely a situation that was handled VERY badly.

Not sure what the answer is other than to keep upping the ante to passengers to give up their seats - but if people keep refusing, the airline's hands seem tied.

I suppose there aren't a lot of other options to get from Chicago to Louisville if these were employees who were to be part of a crew for a flight departing Louisville. If the crew isn't there, that sets off a whole chain of delays and other consequences. Though if they were just employees traveling on a comp pass, then tough luck to them.

I'll be curious to learn more about the situation.

Overbooking flights is standard - it may not seem right, but then again the airlines often have ticketed passengers who don't show up for flights, particularly among Business class passengers who have refundable tickets that they aren't personally paying for anyhow.
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4 HOUR DRIVE! ghet a driver and a nice comfy buss!
 
♪alt13 said:
The airlines should sell overbook protection up to a certain percentage of the seats. It seems like a fair way to do it. Then you are selecting from a group that paid less for the same seat. That person has also self screened themself. If it was crazy important for them to make it to their destination on time then they would have bought the protection.
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Funny thing is they actually do. This situation is bizarre and far from the norm. United screwed up, plain and simple. They should not have tried to force anyone off the plane. That said, emergencies happen and often passengers cannot know what is prompting a change like this, and they need to understand that airlines use set criteria to select who to approach when the situation warrants it. It isn't a random thing, they have a list of passengers for just such a purpose. I have seen the lists before (with American and Delta, not with United).

I was on one such list and they called us to the gate, told us the flight would likely be over-booked, and told us that they could give us vouchers or we could wait and take our chances, that if we took the vouchers we got something for it, and if we got bumped all we would get was a guaranteed seat on the next flight. We took the vouchers as we were flying for business and an extra night in the hotel was not the end of the world.

The other time I volunteered because I again had an extra day in the deal. They pulled out a paper list with all passengers, found my name and said "you are an elite level frequent flyer, your seat is guaranteed". I asked if that meant I couldn't volunteer and she said no, of course I could volunteer. So I did, called corp travel, booked a room next to the airport for the night and left the next day.

It is not an uncommon occurrence, but this was botched by both the gate personnel and the douche who wouldn't give up his seat.
 
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