A countervailing event can’t put the methane back in the bottle, dude. And neither should one get religious in their belief of the kind of countervailing move you describe.you're looking at this in terms of a failed linear extrapolation model. The truth is something else.
whenever a system is distorted so that it produces a record event somewhere, you may expect to see a countervailing event of the other extreme somewhere else. This is a a short-term event.
Here is a discussion of this year's polar vortex anomaly.....
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-polar-vortex-climate-change-and-beast-from-the-east
Recent data supports a weak La Nina forecast for the coming months, an event that generally strengthens the polar vortex. This year it broke up, but was still very significant in bringing extreme cold, record cold temps across Europe in the neighborhood of February, as well as in our northern plains.
I am looking for signs of a new ice age. My model for predicting such a grand climate shift requires warmer oceans than we have even now, and a stabilization of the ENSO in the Pacific(with warmer temps and less cold water from the Arctic melts). The Ice Ages we have had have been due to a persistent stabilization of the polar vortex over Hudson Bay, with ice increasing due to extraodinary snow events drawing on the warm Gulf and Pacific. The Great Basin, during these climate events, have literally filled up with rain water, but during the Ice Ages, the ice generally has not increased as much elsewhere in the world as in the northern flats of North America.
you're looking at this in terms of a failed linear extrapolation model.
Here is a discussion of this year's polar vortex anomaly.....
I am looking for signs of a new ice age
Actually, I’m just posting an interesting item pertaining to the weather in the Arctic. Seemed like the right thread.
I’m confused. The article is dated March, 2018, and it’s summer 2020 in the Arctic as of yesterday.
I know. Nothing wrong with that. I understand we are in an interglacial period, but we, namely humans, are a contributing factor to climate, at this point in our development, that we were not in earlier interglacials. I see no reason not to believe that that change in our status MAY mean we can alter the pattern of glaciation of the past 2 million years. And permafrost is melting. I see this in the fossil market, oddly enough, where mammoth tusks bring big $$, and local people in Siberia are bringing many to market, as they poke out of the permafrost and can be extracted now.
The changing climate is obviously heightened in the north polar region, and has been so for a number of years now. Ask the natives of the area. Consider the plight of the polar bear. Not in a moral sense, though that helps, IMO. But the obvious physical changes having to do with ice cover in their natural range. Why would I consider this short term when it’s an obvious trend that seems to have to do with warmth, and more of it? (We’ll see what the solar minimum contributes).
Well, it is 2020 so you never know.i'm all for the whole yellowstone supervolcano thing lol
A countervailing event can’t put the methane back in the bottle, dude. And neither should one get religious in their belief of the kind of countervailing move you describe.
I wish this babe character you write through hadn’t taken this kind of literary turn.
You seem to think that because something (like methane, which is not a product or by-product of photosynthesis, btw) is the result of a living system, then everything should more-or-less be hunky-dory as far as living is concerned. That’s a weird perspective. A massive rush of methane could literally throw the human food supply into a decade-long turmoil. Is that a significant amount of time when you look at it through a geological lens? Obviously not. Would it be significant in the course of human history? Abso****inglutely yes.The methane under the permafrost comes from living photosynthetic plants and living things that eat plants.
During some geologic ages we had a much higher CO2 atmosphere with extreme growth rates in plants, in the Arctic marshes. There was no Arctic ice to speak much of, except maybe on mountains, God only knows. There were no mammoths then.
The wild mammoth tusk rush now going on is because during the last ice age, maybe early on or most likely near the end of it, a lot of mammoths were up there eating the lush plant life, when a sudden cold event more or less froze a lot of them in their tracks.
photosynthesis takes the final end product of methane, CO2, and stores it in plant products. Then the ice comes and traps it all, and freezes it to some depth. This is part of a geologic cycle that has happened multiple times in geologic history, evidenced by carbon dating science.
So you are simply mistaken about the irreversible doomsday crap. Yes, the cycle is long. But no, a polar meltoff is not permanent nor exactly doomsday. If we weren't so damn indoctrinated in socialist bullscrap, we'd be thinking of rathional ways to cope swith real climate change. Be they merely cyclical natural things or anthropogenic.
The wild mammoth tusk rush now going on is because during the last ice age, maybe early on or most likely near the end of it, a lot of mammoths were up there eating the lush plant life, when a sudden cold event more or less froze a lot of them in their tracks.
You seem to think that because something (like methane, which is not a product or by-product of photosynthesis, btw) is the result of a living system, then everything should more-or-less be hunky-dory as far as living is concerned. That’s a weird perspective. A massive rush of methane could literally throw the human food supply into a decade-long turmoil. Is that a significant amount of time when you look at it through a geological lens? Obviously not. Would it be significant in the course of human history? Abso****inglutely yes.
Methane is produced by methanogens. They survive by reacting hydrogen with carbon dioxide.
Prrsently, the notion that the onset of the last ice age was so rapid, that mammoths actually quick froze in place, instantly, their most recent meal still in their mouths, has been mostly embraced by Creationists( see: https://www.icr.org/article/did-frozen-mammoths-die-flood-or-ice-age). I can’t recall at the moment if it was catastrophist Immanuel Velikovsky who first came up with this theory in “Worlds in Collusion”, or not. I did enjoy reading his books back in the day, since it was basically alternative Earth history, and catastrophism would eventually enter the mainstream anyway, but not via Velikovsky’s theories, but rather via Louis Alvarez and son’s asteroid impact hypothesis for the extinction event that included the dinosaurs at the end of the Cretaceous Period. You won’t find much, if any, support for this notion of an “instantaneous quick freeze” in the scientific community, though. It has been awhile since I perused this notion of quick freeze, but I know very few believe it...
https://creation.com/the-extinction-of-the-woolly-mammoth-was-it-a-quick-freeze
https://answersingenesis.org/extinct-animals/ice-age/were-siberian-mammoths-quick-frozen/
Prrsently, the notion that the onset of the last ice age was so rapid, that mammoths actually quick froze in place, instantly, their most recent meal still in their mouths, has been mostly embraced by Creationists( see: https://www.icr.org/article/did-frozen-mammoths-die-flood-or-ice-age). I can’t recall at the moment if it was catastrophist Immanuel Velikovsky who first came up with this theory in “Worlds in Collusion”, or not. I did enjoy reading his books back in the day, since it was basically alternative Earth history, and catastrophism would eventually enter the mainstream anyway, but not via Velikovsky’s theories, but rather via Louis Alvarez and son’s asteroid impact hypothesis for the extinction event that included the dinosaurs at the end of the Cretaceous Period. You won’t find much, if any, support for this notion of an “instantaneous quick freeze” in the scientific community, though. It has been awhile since I perused this notion of quick freeze, but I know very few believe it...
https://creation.com/the-extinction-of-the-woolly-mammoth-was-it-a-quick-freeze
https://answersingenesis.org/extinct-animals/ice-age/were-siberian-mammoths-quick-frozen/