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GT: Jazz v 76ers | 12/28/15 | 7pm MST
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//r00t 4 Jazz
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I apologize (but only a little) to anyone who may have had the displeasure of sitting by me in the 2nd half, I was negative as all get out at the game.
Pretty sure at half time the Jazz had 10 assists and ended the game with I believe 13 or 14, that alone shows how the Jazz offense "played" in the 2nd half. It seemed as though if Hayward wasn't creating for some one else no one had a shot, seemed like there was no offense to run just a lot of one on one (mixed in with pointless scared to shoot passes) players that had open shots are afraid to shot and passed even when the defense was playing them to pass and players shooting needed to pass because the defense was playing them to shoot. I felt like the Jazz didn't even know what a good "basketball" play was for most of the 2nd half. It's not about if you should shoot, pass or drive it is about running the offense and making the correct basketball play whatever it is.
I also apologize if anyone had to listen to me complain about Booker and Millsap getting so much time, I like them both but they're getting too much playing time, in danger of falling into the Raja Bell category. Players that have heart and hustle and you like them despite their warts, until they get way too many minutes and all you can see is those warts.
Whoever said they thought the Jazz would've won the Clipps game if Withey would've played the last 4-5min of the game, were you sitting by me as well? I said that when I was at that game and said it so many times in this game. The purpose of small ball is to create an advantage offensively but Booker refuses to take advantage when he's not being guarded and doesn't have the offensive game (or if he does maybe he should try showing it sometime this year) to take advantage of the small ball line up. I could go on and on but I'll stop and just say Booker playing this much time at C over Withey is really the first time I adamantly disagree with Snyder AND believe I'm right.
Pretty sure at half time the Jazz had 10 assists and ended the game with I believe 13 or 14, that alone shows how the Jazz offense "played" in the 2nd half. It seemed as though if Hayward wasn't creating for some one else no one had a shot, seemed like there was no offense to run just a lot of one on one (mixed in with pointless scared to shoot passes) players that had open shots are afraid to shot and passed even when the defense was playing them to pass and players shooting needed to pass because the defense was playing them to shoot. I felt like the Jazz didn't even know what a good "basketball" play was for most of the 2nd half. It's not about if you should shoot, pass or drive it is about running the offense and making the correct basketball play whatever it is.
I also apologize if anyone had to listen to me complain about Booker and Millsap getting so much time, I like them both but they're getting too much playing time, in danger of falling into the Raja Bell category. Players that have heart and hustle and you like them despite their warts, until they get way too many minutes and all you can see is those warts.
Whoever said they thought the Jazz would've won the Clipps game if Withey would've played the last 4-5min of the game, were you sitting by me as well? I said that when I was at that game and said it so many times in this game. The purpose of small ball is to create an advantage offensively but Booker refuses to take advantage when he's not being guarded and doesn't have the offensive game (or if he does maybe he should try showing it sometime this year) to take advantage of the small ball line up. I could go on and on but I'll stop and just say Booker playing this much time at C over Withey is really the first time I adamantly disagree with Snyder AND believe I'm right.
This is absolutely true. He gets a very high number of no-calls.
akirac73
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If we remain patient and allow the baby steps/growing process to take it's course, in about 5 or 6 years from now, Hayward will finally become the leader and all-star we've long been craving for. It's like riding a bike, you wouldn't dare take off the training wheels for a child until they were AT LEAST 17-18 years old right? Just be patient.
J
JAZZGASM
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As I stated, but you cut out, our drop in Assist % is much more telling to me. Our players have developed another year, Burks has been back, Burke has had a huge step up, so saying we are more efficient this year and saying our offensive system has improved is crazy.
Look at the teams with the top assist % from year to year. The top teams are generally the best in the league. The bottom teams suck. We need more balance and our system isn't giving it to us. Our system was so much better in 03 that a much less talented team played much better, and it was fun to watch. This **** is boring to watch, even when we win. Does anyone really like our system? If so, please tell me why.
I like Quin because I think he gives our players more confidence and helps them develop. This is a huge plus. But I hate his system. I think Sloan didn't adapt to the importance of the 3 enough, but other than that he had a great system, but I do think his rigidness did cause some of our players to lose confidence.
J
JAZZGASM
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He tries to get calls by throwing his head back. Refs don't call it much. He needs to do a better job if getting his arms tangled and hit on shots. I do agree refs let him get pretty banged up with no calls. It is probably the hair flopping around distracting the refs.
Yeah, thing is, we don't have a single PG worth speaking of on the active roster. None of our wings are particularly good at passing the ball. The lowest assist % is a reflection of the personnel, not the system.
GVC
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1. Not really.
2. There's really no need to estimate possessions; they can be taken directly from the play-by-play data. To date, I've scraped the NBA play-by-play data from the 2013/14 and 2014/15 seasons. I've broken the data down into segments between substitutions and the start/end of quarters, and have almost finished getting lineups in these segments -- there are some quarters/periods in which teams have players who play from start to finish without showing up in the box score, which makes doing so a bit more difficult. Fortunately, I only have 25 instances of a player missing from a lineup over those two seasons -- roughly 20000 team periods -- and no team has two periods in a single game missing a player. As such, I can sum minutes over my play-by-play lineups (since I've also calculated the length of the segments) and compare to the box score minutes. The player off by 5 or 12 minutes (in 24 of the 25 instances, the missing player occurs in an overtime period) must be the missing player. I'm busy finishing up some other work, but I should have all NBA lineups for the last 19 seasons (NBA play-by-play data goes back to the 1996/97 season) by the end of this coming weekend. I digress...Next step is getting possessions from the play-by-play data so that I can measure player/lineup efficacy in different ways. Accurate offensive/defensive efficiency should be done in fairly short order.
GVC
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I want to get a bit further before sharing what's needed to replicate what I'm doing. I may share some of the **** I find though.
It's worth mentioning that NBA data is in an incredibly user-friendly format. I just started learning python in October, and I've already scraped a ****load of data, and saved it in a more usable/versatile format (.csv). Most of my scripts to scrape the data and put it into dataframes (using the requests and pandas modules in python) are <20 lines of code. I have all of the raw player tracking data (1/2 formatted), a bunch of player tracking stats, and shot- and other player stat logs from the last two seasons. I may scrape the box scores, which will probably take a few minutes to code, and very little time to scrape -- I'd guess scraping, formatting and saving every NBA box score available could be done overnight.
I'm a little reluctant to share how to do this -- I'm a bit of a lazy dick, and don't want to help people get ahead (of me) -- but a few google searches is likely enough to figure much of this out. The script to get lineups from the play-by-play data (not quite done) is a little more complicated, but getting the raw data, and saving it in .csv format is pretty straightforward.
The NBA has some other data that I don't know how to get. In particular, they have some player tracking passing stats that can be viewed -- and easily scraped -- right on NBA.com. That these stats exist means they must also have player tracking passing logs used to calculate the statistics. I'd really like to get my hands on those, but since they can't be viewed on the website, I have no idea what the 'resource' is where those stats are kept. This 'resource' is likely the only part of the urls needed to find these stats. I've tried a few shots in the dark that lined up with 'resource' names of similar stats to no avail. I'll likely shoot them an email requesting a full stats.nba.com site/resource map. Fingers crossed.