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Hayward awarded for his defense

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WITH TIM KAWAKAMI

Tim is a writer for Mercury news covering the Goldenstate Warriors. I started reading him when then Jazz were watching GS to see if we would get their pick (Harrsons Barnes). I find him fair, funny and enjoyable to read. Every year for 6 years now he has put together a list of nba no-defensive teams. You May recall Al Jefferson won No-defense Player of the. Year. 2011. Well another Jazzman has made the list this year. Gordon Hayward was named to the all no-defense second team at the wing position.

From the article: * W Gordon Hayward, Utah. Richard Jefferson was a much worse wing player for Utah this season, in every way. Heck, Jefferson probably was one of the four or five worst rotation players in the league this season. (Others: Arron Afflalo, Mo Harkless, Bargnani, and either Al-Farouq Aminu or Tony Wroten.)

But I’m putting Hayward on the ND 2nd team because he had a -1.59 DRPM, ranking him 339th, and he just never looked like he was ready to emerge from the Jazz’s defensive morass.

I keep waiting for Hayward to show that he’s figuring it out… and he hasn’t shown anything like that yet.
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The full story is here. https://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawak...ard-james-harden-monta-ellis-and-many-others/
 
Hayward is by no means a great defender, but he certainly isn't one of the bottom 10 on the wings. Being on one of the worst defensive teams in the league is going to hurt your defensive stats, which is what this writer solely based the ranking off of. Pretty sure most people who watch basketball and analyze (dudes like Zach Lowe) would not rank Hayward this low.
 
Again. I'm so sick of people going only by these stupid stats and numbers. These hacks don't even need to watch games anymore, and have made jazzfanz dumber all around.


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Stats have their place, but when they take the place of your eyes, it's a problem. We had a bad defensive team, and since defense is largely a team concept, and drawn up by your coach...
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Again. I'm so sick of people going only by these stupid stats and numbers. These hacks don't even need to watch games anymore, and have made jazzfanz dumber all around.

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Yet he is spot on Irwing, Harden, Teletovic, Bargnani and others. I guess dude knows his ****
 
This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Hayward is the best perimeter defender on teh team imo
 
UGLI baby said:
What is the consensus on whether or not Hayward will be brought back?
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He's brought back. No question. If old S&T rules existed, then we'd probably explore that, but since these are different times, we can't afford to let another asset walk. All we can do is hope that our talk of keeping him all year will deter the Suns and Celtics from entering a bidding war and tying up their cap space.
 
Arron Afflalo is one of the 5 worst rotation players in the league?!?!

Orlando fans were pissed that Joe Johnson made the All-Star team over him, at the time of vote Afflalo was averaging 20ppg, 4.3 rebs, 3.7 assists on way better %'s than Johnson who was averaging 15.7ppg
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Again. I'm so sick of people going only by these stupid stats and numbers. These hacks don't even need to watch games anymore, and have made jazzfanz dumber all around.


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Yeah, stats are only good if they say what you've already decided is true.
 
LazyD said:
This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Hayward is the best perimeter defender on teh team imo
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His competition is Burks, RJ and Trey...

Gordo was not a good perimeter defender this season. Not strong, not particularly quick, slow/lazy closing out on shooters. Jazz REALLY need some size/strength/athleticism/nasty on the perimeter.
 
GVC said:
His competition is Burks, RJ and Trey...

Gordo was not a good perimeter defender this season. Not strong, not particularly quick, slow/lazy closing out on shooters. Jazz REALLY need some size/strength/athleticism/nasty on the perimeter.
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Not saying he's a great defender or anything, but being arguably the best on the team means those other guys should be on their first, unless being a little more notable of a player is a prerequisite, which it seems like it may be.

They area on defense where I really like Hayward is his individual defense on point guards and shooting guards that are not stronger than him. But everything else, he kinda sucks at. I agree the Jazz need more versatile defenders on the perimeter because Hayward's ability to guard point guards is useless, especially with Burke on the court, so he can only guard one position, and not well if his matchup is a Wade or Stephenson type. I think there are a few 3's he can guard effectively, but only ones that are not stronger or longer than he.

That being said, I still don't think he belongs on such a list
 
AKMVP said:
dare to explain why?
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The Jazz may have had the worst collection of perimeter defenders in the league: Trey, Diante (who may have actually been the best of the bunch by default), Alec, Gordo, RJ. The standard for "best" here is pretty low.

Gordo was definitely better than Trey, Alec and RJ defensively. IMO his transition D is pretty good.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Arron Afflalo is one of the 5 worst rotation players in the league?!?!

Orlando fans were pissed that Joe Johnson made the All-Star team over him, at the time of vote Afflalo was averaging 20ppg, 4.3 rebs, 3.7 assists on way better %'s than Johnson who was averaging 15.7ppg
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Ive concluded this writer must watch too many Warriors games and is spoiled from watching shooters.

Arron Afflalo is a bottom 5 rotation player in the NBA.... are you ****ing kidding me?

hows that credible whatsoever?
 
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