This I did not know. Interesting...
I see that as Utahs penchant for safe moves. Hayward is more of a known quantity than Kanter. Plus he is a RFA a year earlier. So they took the less risky route and are trying to lock up Hayward now.
Hayward getting extension???
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This I did not know. Interesting...
I see that as Utahs penchant for safe moves. Hayward is more of a known quantity than Kanter. Plus he is a RFA a year earlier. So they took the less risky route and are trying to lock up Hayward now.
Testing this theory some. All the contracts currently paying $8 million or more. Obviously shooting from the hip some and reasonble people could disagree on some of these calls.
Bad Deals:
Kris Humphries
Gerald Wallace
Jeff Green
Joe Johnson
Al Jefferson
Ben Gordon
Carlos Boozer
Luol Deng
Monta Ellis
JaVale McGee
Danilo Gallinari
Charlie Villanueva
Rodney Stucky
David Lee
Dwight Howard
Zach Randolph
Caron Butler
Eric Gordon
Tyreke Evans
Amare Stoudemire
Andrea Bargnani
Kendrick Perkins
Hedo Turkoglu
Jameer Nelson
Nic Batum
Marcus Thornton
Rudy Gay
Demar Derozan
Andris Biedrins
Richard Jefferson
Emeka Okafor
Nene
32 total
Fair Deals:
Rajon Rondo
Deron Williams
Paul Pierce
Brook Lopez
Kevin Garnett
Jeff Teague
Andrew Bynum (who really knows, but it has 1,000 outs for the Cavs)
Anderson Varejao
Josh Smith
Andrew Bogut (injuries make it bad, but it was very fair at the time)
Andre Iguodala
Roy Hibbert
Danny Granger
David West
George Hill
DeAndre Jordan
Kobe (cap killing so I can't say it was good for the team)
Pau Gasol
Steve Nash
Chris Bosh
OJ Mayo
Kevin Love
Nikola Pekovic
Jrue Holiday
Carmelo Anthony
Tyson Chandler
Serge Ibaka
Thaddeus Young
Tiago Splitter
30 total
Good Deals for the Team:
Al Horford
Paul Millsap
Derrick Rose (I know he got hurt, but this is a case where max salaries don't adequately compensate some guys)
Joakim Noah
Dirk Nowitzki
Shawn Marion
Ty Lawson
Stephen Curry
James Harden
Chris Paul
Blake Griffin
Marc Gasol
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Ryan Anderson
Kevin Durant
Russell Westbrook
LaMarcus Aldridge
Tony Parker
Tim Duncan
20 total
So it's a little more evenly distributed than I originally thought, but I think I probably was a little soft on some of these deals (Bynum, Bogut, etc). In any event, once you hit about $8 million a year it's really rough if you get one of the bad deals.
Geez if this is true the stupidity in the NBA is mind numbing. Do you really think any other team would give him 13 million a year for 5 years? Enough with the Jazz have to over pay crap. No one is forcing them to overpay. Man I just don't get.
I like Hayward but he is NOT a MAX player. He hasn't even topped 15 pts a game.
I like Hayward but he is NOT a MAX player. He hasn't even topped 15 pts a game.
Horrible list. Do you even watch teams other than the Jazz?
Sounds just like an excuse to me. Jazz should have just give Hayward four years and Kanter four years. Save the 5 year deal when we actually have a proven MAX guy. Stop paying on potential.
That's actually wrong. The 5 year rule is only valid for players that are getting extended from their rookie contract. The only thing it would deny is extending a 5 yr to Wiggins in 2017. But if you've finished your first contract after the rookie scale you can have as many 5 years as you want if you have full bird rights.
MVP
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I don't agree with Batum, DeRozan, Lee, Randolph and Gallinari being a bad deals. They are at least fair and actually I think DeRozan is good deal for Raptors. Bosh is bad deal IMHO and same with Pekovic, he got overpaid badly.
This actually has me pi$$ed.
I am very disappointed the Jazz FO would clue David Locke in on anything.
This is Haywards decision (and Jazz FO).
NEVER mess with a mans livelihood.
I almost hope Hayward goes to RFA for his sake because that will yield him 13m / year...easy.
Jazz need to decide if they want to pay that.
Either way....a crappy radio guy should not be in the loop. Absolutely classless by Jazz if true
Litany
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If some team is stupid enough to pay him 13 per, then let them. He is not close to that and we could replace him with a better player at that price. Maybe we trade him like Harden was before his last rookie contract season.
Hotdog
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My point is Hayward needs to do what is right for him. It i a decision between him and the Jazz FO. I am very surprised FO would clue Locke into what is going on. That part is crap.
I'm pretty sure that there has been no cluing in Locke on what's going on with contract negotiations. I thing all these guys are just guessing.
MVP
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Portland already committed to Batum and Mathews ( who's deal looks like bargain now), so no, Hayward would not get 13mil/year, just no f...ng way some other team would be that rich and stupid at the same time..
10mil/year is fair deal for him and I wish Jazz would let that RFA happen as well.
orangello
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No, especially when you realize that by that time in his career he could be a big time player.
GVC
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Or he could be an average-ish defender and good spot-up shooter...
green
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Hayward can't handle the ball well enough to be a big time player. At the end of games, who are giving the ball to:
Hayward - Can't dribble
Favors/Kanter - too easy to take the ball away from
Burke - can dribble, can find the open man, can hit the big shot
Burke will be our #1 option. Hayward, at best, will be #2, this year. If we get Wiggins or Parker or anyone top 5, then it all changes.
Draft pick will be the #1 option
Kanter/Burke will be #2 and 3
Hayward will be #4.
What worries me, is that we are giving a TON of money to our potential #4 and #5 offensive options. That is frightening.
You need defense to win games. You have to have offense to win titles. If we toss 25 million a year at our #4 and #5 options, how do we pay option #1, #2, and #3?
Hayward - Can't dribble
Favors/Kanter - too easy to take the ball away from
Burke - can dribble, can find the open man, can hit the big shot
Burke will be our #1 option. Hayward, at best, will be #2, this year. If we get Wiggins or Parker or anyone top 5, then it all changes.
Draft pick will be the #1 option
Kanter/Burke will be #2 and 3
Hayward will be #4.
What worries me, is that we are giving a TON of money to our potential #4 and #5 offensive options. That is frightening.
You need defense to win games. You have to have offense to win titles. If we toss 25 million a year at our #4 and #5 options, how do we pay option #1, #2, and #3?