Holy piss, the Apollo moon missions were fake?!
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To date, no one has answered any of the issues raised by the Aussies. No one who has replied with this sort of attitude, apparently, has looked at the mainstream Media footage which clearly shows the benches intact after the explosion, and then about a half an later being smashed and overturned.
Cognitive dissonance is pretty hard to deal with, most people opt out of thinking when it rises to that level of challenge.
So anyway, here's a link to an official discussion of the Van Allen Radiation belts from the most relevant government source. . .
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/28nov_vanallengap/
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I'm still looking for actual data on space capsules traversing the VARBs giving time, location, and metal skin temps and interior temps during passage. . . . .
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here's an extended discussion of the controversy, from a conspiracist-debunking point of view:
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https://www.clavius.org/envrad.html
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I note the assertion that the Apollo astronauts wore individual dosimeters and regularly radiod the data to mission control.
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But as already recognized in links above, the high-energy protons' effect is primarily heat on the capsule skin, as protons are not able to penetrate metal and other materials, and there is still no report of capsule skin or interior temps transmitted to ground.
studies of recovered capsules could also provide data relative to stress and temps experienced in the mission. Where are these studies and their data and conclusions?
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well, I'll keeping an eye out for data on this, the foremost critical issue of the whole debate.
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So to sum up my review of the "conspiracists" and "deniers" arguments in the webz, I just have to say the arguments on both sides are ignorant. Amazing, since the supposed "science" is well known.
I spent a few years living with the BEIR reports done in the sixties and seventies on the "Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation" of all kinds. The assertion is that there is no "threshold" where damage begins, that all radiation is "bad". This assertion, long held sacred, is just false, no two ways about it. Low levels of radiation are in some cases actually beneficial, serving to trigger biological responses favorable to the health of living things.
The specifics of the Van Allen Radiation belt are not scientifically reported by official sources. One can only wonder why not. Certainly we have measured the levels of exposure. Early reports were that there is enough alpha particle densities to swamp out electronic measurement devices onboard. It was variously reported that near the belts, cosmic rays were about 30 counts per second. That's pretty steep, considering that ground level detectors get much less, and are still considered, albeit wrongly, "damaging".
Until I find definitive reported measurements of radiation levels encountered in the belts, I bet the metal and better yet the plastic layers in the capsules are adequate protection, and humans can indeed safely traverse the belts in certain places on certain trajectories.l
I spent a few years living with the BEIR reports done in the sixties and seventies on the "Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation" of all kinds. The assertion is that there is no "threshold" where damage begins, that all radiation is "bad". This assertion, long held sacred, is just false, no two ways about it. Low levels of radiation are in some cases actually beneficial, serving to trigger biological responses favorable to the health of living things.
The specifics of the Van Allen Radiation belt are not scientifically reported by official sources. One can only wonder why not. Certainly we have measured the levels of exposure. Early reports were that there is enough alpha particle densities to swamp out electronic measurement devices onboard. It was variously reported that near the belts, cosmic rays were about 30 counts per second. That's pretty steep, considering that ground level detectors get much less, and are still considered, albeit wrongly, "damaging".
Until I find definitive reported measurements of radiation levels encountered in the belts, I bet the metal and better yet the plastic layers in the capsules are adequate protection, and humans can indeed safely traverse the belts in certain places on certain trajectories.l
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I have a few questions for babe...
Was I really born or have my parents just been involved in a conspiracy for all these years?
Are they really my parents? How can I prove it without actual footage of the event?
Are they actually aliens?
Was I really born or have my parents just been involved in a conspiracy for all these years?
Are they really my parents? How can I prove it without actual footage of the event?
Are they actually aliens?
You are the only actual human on the planet. We rescued you from the real earth just before it was destroyed. Now we have set up a simulation to study human behavior in their natural environment. We use your feedback to constantly tweak the simulation.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
If I'm the only human, then please send me some easy, attractive alien women - purely for scientific study on male/female interaction, of course.
That's not how this works. Unfortunately now that you know we are going to have to terminate the simulation. RIP humanity.
You seem to be under the impression that extraterrestrials would look like something out of 1960s Star Trek. Unfortunately, that's not how evolution works. We have 3 different sexes required for procreation. The closest analogue to your females has a name that is impossible for you to pronounce (we use different smells as letters), but it looks like this:
you shouldn't listen to me. Everyone else is modulated for maximum compatibility with the future, and I'm the lone escapee doing my "run" through all the datastreams amassed by governance compliance professionals to date.
Like the guv said in Oh Brother I'm the past.
however, in order to properly disguise my location and sensibilities, I have to keep talking like I was still in camp being re-educated by Game.
In regard to your sentient musings about your possible existence and identity, my Jewish girlfriend used to cackle a bit when she told me "It's a wise child who knows his father". I couldn't emigrate to Israel because it was my father who was Jewish, not my mother, and the State of Israel doesn't not trust Goy women to be honest about paternity issues.
As for all the presumptions involved in your questions, just let it be plainly understood. Do you really believe very many people know who their parents really are?
I'm Scottish. Old Lochie is my pet fish.
The fact that I own the most widely discussed trophy trout is a mere coincidence. It has nothing to do with Trout's gratuitous defenses of my character, or his invitations to dine at Chinese restaurants.
Coincidence theory.
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I got banned from the Clavius forum years ago. I snuck back in yesterday and did some posting. They knew it was me right away but I was able to do some serious posting before I got banned again and they didn't delete the stuff I posted. Here it is. I used the username "Scott".
https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1147.0
https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1145.0
https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1146.0
https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1149.0
https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=993.15
(reply #21)
https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1118.15
(reply #18)
Read that last one until post #26. Jay Windley* destroyed his credibility again. Another pro-Apollo poster agreed with him in post #37. They also maintained that the Chinese spacewalk was real and tried to obfuscate those clear anomalies (see the fourth link). Those people are a joke.
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https://www.clavius.org/about.html
https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1147.0
https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1145.0
https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1146.0
https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1149.0
https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=993.15
(reply #21)
https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1118.15
(reply #18)
Read that last one until post #26. Jay Windley* destroyed his credibility again. Another pro-Apollo poster agreed with him in post #37. They also maintained that the Chinese spacewalk was real and tried to obfuscate those clear anomalies (see the fourth link). Those people are a joke.
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https://www.clavius.org/about.html
So how many thousands of people do I have to assume are involved in this grand conspiracy?
What is the maximum benefit enjoyed by any individual co-conspirator?
What is the minimum benefit enjoyed by any individual co-conspirator?
What I mean is, for the thousands upon thousands of people "in the know" about the conspiracy (meaning they are involved to an extent that they have direct knowledge of how the conspiracy was carried out and therefore have 100% certainty that the Apollo landings are fake and that there is an organized effort to make those not "in the know" believe they were real) the guy who's getting the least (money, power, etc.) how much is that guy getting for keeping the secret?
What's the estimate on how many thousands of people are employed by this conspiratorial organization?
What is the maximum benefit enjoyed by any individual co-conspirator?
What is the minimum benefit enjoyed by any individual co-conspirator?
What I mean is, for the thousands upon thousands of people "in the know" about the conspiracy (meaning they are involved to an extent that they have direct knowledge of how the conspiracy was carried out and therefore have 100% certainty that the Apollo landings are fake and that there is an organized effort to make those not "in the know" believe they were real) the guy who's getting the least (money, power, etc.) how much is that guy getting for keeping the secret?
What's the estimate on how many thousands of people are employed by this conspiratorial organization?
Oh, and what's the minimum compensation you would require to both participate in the conspiracy in the first place and to protect the secrecy of said conspiracy for the rest of your life?
Keeping in mind that to violate the conspiracy would likely bring with a it a good deal of fame and fortune.
Keeping in mind that to violate the conspiracy would likely bring with a it a good deal of fame and fortune.
...or death.
Thomas Baron and astronauts killed to keep Apollo program
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYBJFPuiwE&hl=es&gl=ES
Sacrifice On Pad 34.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipKyUVuQ2Uk
https://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/27709
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Q: Why do prominent astronomers like Sir Bernard Lovell and Patrick Moore support the Moon landings if they were faked?
A: Scientists and astronomers around the globe know full well that the Moon missions were faked, but rely on NASA to gain access to the vital data beamed back to Earth from the Hubble space telescope. They cannot slag off NASA otherwise NASA would deprive them of this essential information, which they so much require.
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Q: What about the vast number of people involved in Apollo, wouldn’t someone have spoken out.
A: Pan’s claim there were half a million people involved in the Apollo program, but that includes all the humble engineers working on machine parts in many companies around the globe. So if someone is making a part in some engineering factory in Seattle, and his boss tells him it’s for the Apollo spacecraft, is that engineer proof the landings took place? No of course it is not proof, and even if that engineer knew they never made it to the Moon, he would still brag to his friends that he made a part that went to the Moon just to make him feel proud in some way or other. Parts for the Apollo program were made at many different factories around the globe. For example the laser reflector supposedly left on the Moon was manufactured in France. NASA collected the unit from the French company, and that was the last they saw of it. It’s probably stashed away in some archive at Langley, but one things for certain it’s not on the Moon. Are those French engineers proof they landed on the Moon? No of course not, as very few, (probably less than 200 people), were actually involved in bringing the whole lot together, so as to minimize what was actually taking place. No need for any of them to speak out because (A) They are 100% patriotic to the USA, and would say nothing that would go against America, even if it were true. (B) They do not need millions of dollars to safeguard their future, as they have already received substantial amounts from NASA just to “keep mum”. Read comments from people who worked on the Apollo program in the APOLLO FEEDBACK section.
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The anomalies prove the hoax and wondering how we didn't hear about it doesn't make the anomalies go away. A few people probably did try to speak out but the press would never report it. Here's some stuff about mainstream info.
At about the 30 minute mark of this video a scientist says that science fraud is common.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buosgl6J3Kw
Scientists at the Rand Corporation say that depleted uranium is safe.
https://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/b04151999_bt170-99.htm
There are other scientists who say the opposite.
https://www.google.es/search?q=depleted uranium&tbs=vid:1
It's clear that the government can find scientists willing to sell out and lie.
Here's a scientists who says that it's impossible to get something published in a science journal if it goes against the official version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAE7FGdNmA
(00:16 time mark)
added 5-15-14
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Here's another case of official mainstream journals publishing untrue information.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m3TjokVU4
(1:36:40 time mark)
This means that if there's a scientist who thinks the rocks didn't come from the moon, he'd have a hard time getting his opinion known.
If someone tried to blow the whistle, the press would ignore him or her.
https://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1993/93short-attention-span.gif
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media&aq=f
https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=Wi5h3vZl6uo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5rdRlOSBoY
https://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaControl_Chomsky.html
https://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm
https://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/media_watch.html
https://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Propaganda/Propaganda_page.html
https://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html
https://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/official_culture.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=trWcqxrQgcc
https://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman /Propaganda_System_One.html
A co-handjob?
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