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How Much Could Tyler Herro Match Donovan in Utah?

LoPo said:
I literally looked at DRPG instead of RPG.

Half a rebound.

But hey, post another colorful chart comparing Donovan Mitchell to Tyler Herro. The dumbest comparison we've had on here for a long time.
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You fudged his assists numbers too buddy. What were you looking at when you saw that?
 
MT Steve said:
I think he put the DRB for Herro instead of the total rebounds.

But he got it close enough for his point to stand. I also think a Herro + future picks package for Mitchell is a terrible return. You can hope for Herro to turn into Mitchell 2.0, and you can hope for the Heat, a well-run organization, to have a downward spiral so that their future picks are good. Both are extremely unlikely.

If we're trading away Mitchell, I'd rather fleece the Knicks. You know those picks will be fantastic.
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JC's numbers compare well to a number of guys... his style of play is so different it isn't really a great comp here... JC and Don have struggled together because it becomes my turn your turn... It has some value but limits him to being a good bench player.

Herro is making a natural progression and is a guy that can function more in a starting lineup. Herro won't get to Donovan's level... he's more CJ McCollum. He's also likely better than most of the guys we'd get in those Knicks picks... I also just don't think that package is there. I would prefer it as well, but I just think we are pre-maturely dismissing the Heat package as awful and it might turn out well.
 
LoPo said:
I literally looked at DRPG instead of RPG.

Half a rebound.

But hey, post another colorful chart comparing Donovan Mitchell to Tyler Herro. The dumbest comparison we've had on here for a long time.
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Its not a comp saying Herro is better than Donovan... its saying how much worse is he... and posing the question of "hey, is that difference worth getting 3 firsts, 3 swaps, another prospect, and moving past the staying together for the kids season we are about to face?"
 
MT Steve said:
Here's a better comparison: Per 100 possessions (with accurate numbers):

2021-22 Herro: 31.8 pts on 56.1 TS%, 6.1 asts, 7.7 rebs, 4.0 tovs
2020-21 Clarkson: 33.5 pts on 54.9 TS%, 4.5 asts, 7.3 rebs, 3.1 tovs
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And again... Herro is 21 and we are cherry picking JC's best year. Herro also came off the bench but played starter minutes... JC did not.

Herro's game fits much better with others as well... so how they go about their business is different. I think a better comp is CJ... if we got CJ and 3 picks, plus swaps for Donovan... that's an okay deal.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
JC's numbers compare well to a number of guys... his style of play is so different it isn't really a great comp here... JC and Don have struggled together because it becomes my turn your turn... It has some value but limits him to being a good bench player.

Herro is making a natural progression and is a guy that can function more in a starting lineup. Herro won't get to Donovan's level... he's more CJ McCollum. He's also likely better than most of the guys we'd get in those Knicks picks... I also just don't think that package is there. I would prefer it as well, but I just think we are pre-maturely dismissing the Heat package as awful and it might turn out well.
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I see what you're saying. I just view the haul of Knicks picks as our best shot at ultimately landing a superstar. Even if it's still unlikely, when viewed in terms of what gives the Jazz the best chance at becoming a title contender, I think it's the Knicks package.

The Heat package feels more low risk low reward.
 
Herro is better than Clarkson, but he’s not close to Mitchell. Mitchell is one of the best offensive players in the game. He had a really good situation last year, but it’s not like we were super stacked and he was still able to lead the league’s best offense. He’s carried elite offenses in the playoffs too. He did this while having a down year as a shooter too.

People are going to realize how good both Mitchell and Gobert were once they’re gone.
 
The Heat package becomes even more interesting the more you think about it.

Danny says sure we’ll take Robinson’s salary but you’re swapping us Lowry for Conley.

We send Lowry to Dallas for matching salary and picks.

We end up sending out Donovan/Conley for Herro/Robinson/Jovic/salary from Dallas plus all of these picks:

23/27/29 Heat unprotected 1sts
24/26/28 Heat pick swap 1sts
25/27 Mavericks unprotected 1sts

Maybe Mavericks give us 27/29 instead if we take Bertans salary?

So many different scenarios… If we trade Donovan/Conley and end up with Herro/Jovic plus 5 unprotected 1sts and 3 pick swap 1sts for and just take on Robinson/Bertans salary I’d say that’s a pretty good deal.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Herro also has 5 inches on Donovan.
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I strongly doubt that. Herro is 6'5" in shoes, 6'4" without. Donovan is 6'1" without shoes, isn't he?

(Who on earth decided that listing people in height with shows was a good idea?)
 
hgb said:
I strongly doubt that. Herro is 6'5" in shoes, 6'4" without. Donovan is 6'1" without shoes, isn't he?

(Who on earth decided that listing people in height with shows was a good idea?)
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Ooor, I check another source, and he's 6'6" in shows, 6'4.5" without. With a very short wingspan, apparently.
 
Elizah Huge said:
The Heat package becomes even more interesting the more you think about it.

Danny says sure we’ll take Robinson’s salary but you’re swapping us Lowry for Conley.

We send Lowry to Dallas for matching salary and picks.

We end up sending out Donovan/Conley for Herro/Robinson/Jovic/salary from Dallas plus all of these picks:

23/27/29 Heat unprotected 1sts
24/26/28 Heat pick swap 1sts
25/27 Mavericks unprotected 1sts

Maybe Mavericks give us 27/29 instead if we take Bertans salary?

So many different scenarios… If we trade Donovan/Conley and end up with Herro/Jovic plus 5 unprotected 1sts and 3 pick swap 1sts for and just take on Robinson/Bertans salary I’d say that’s a pretty good deal.
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I don't think Lowry has a lot of value right now
 
If Herro had tremendous trade value/was worth multiple 1sts, I'd assume that Miami would've moved him in a 3 team deal to get the Nets the assets they want.

The Nets have said they are interested in Donovan as the center piece in a Durant deal. They've also said that a package built around Herro doesn't even scratch the surface of what they're looking to acquire.

Utah fans desperate for a whit savior to lead them to 30-35 wins.
 
MT Steve said:
The Heat package feels more low risk low reward.
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It's low risk to trade for Duncan/Herro and pay them what we would've been paying Rudy Gobert? Seems like the fastest way to build a treadmill team that isn't going to be good enough to contend or bad enough for a top pick.
 
YoungJefe said:
If Herro had tremendous trade value/was worth multiple 1sts, I'd assume that Miami would've moved him in a 3 team deal to get the Nets the assets they want.

The Nets have said they are interested in Donovan as the center piece in a Durant deal. They've also said that a package built around Herro doesn't even scratch the surface of what they're looking to acquire.

Utah fans desperate for a whit savior to lead them to 30-35 wins.
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The Miami package for KD is Bam/Herro/picks and even then Brooklyn would have to move Simmons somewhere else.
 
Elizah Huge said:
More or less than Conley?
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He's going to be 37 with 2 yr/$57M left on his deal, missed 60 games the last two seasons, and averaged 8 ppg on 29% in the playoffs.

Danny gonna rehab Duncan/Lowry's value and flip them and their $48M in salary, lmaoooo
 
YoungJefe said:
If Herro had tremendous trade value/was worth multiple 1sts, I'd assume that Miami would've moved him in a 3 team deal to get the Nets the assets they want.

The Nets have said they are interested in Donovan as the center piece in a Durant deal. They've also said that a package built around Herro doesn't even scratch the surface of what they're looking to acquire.

Utah fans desperate for a whit savior to lead them to 30-35 wins.
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Ahh yes….the trades that don’t happen. The truest gauge of value there ever was. KD freaking stinks and no one wants him bc he hasn’t been traded yet.
 
LoPo said:
I love how you guys "move the goalposts".

You wanted to compare Donovan Mitchell to Tyler Herro using per 36 and a bunch of other metrics you want to use.

I pointed out Clarkson, in his 6th man role just a year prior to Herro, but it's not comparable.

You guys are a waste of time.
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The more conversation I've seen from Jazz fans the more I've realized our fanbase just doesn't really watch the NBA or understand how the league works. Being a small market team we've never really pursued big time free agents or been apart of block buster trades.

I mean I've seen people on here argue that Duncan/Lowry with their horrendous contracts would be positive assets, that Herro is capable of being a #1 scoring option for a good team, and that we can flip Bojan/Conley for Westbrook and 2 first round picks. It's borderline delusional.
 
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