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How white liberals view black voters

Harambe said:
When understanding a different view, you must first have put yourself in their shoes. The article does a pretty **** job of engineering itself for people that don't want to hear people complain; it presents a well bitched about problem before it presents a route to the solution. It also tells me you didn't really read it, you just grabbed the first bit you could.

Allow me to point out what you missed:

In Texas, for example, the cost of traveling to the nearest Department of Public Safety office, Texas’ version of the DMV, can be burdensome: Of the 254 counties in Texas, 78 do not have a permanent DPS office. In some communities along the Mexican border, the nearest DPS office is between 100 and 125 miles away. And in rural communities in other states, the DMV offices are few and far between.
  • Can you imagine having to travel 50-62.5 miles to get to a DPS for a pircture ID? Without a vehicle of your own?
Oftentimes, people don’t even have the money to pay for the underlying documentation needed to get a photo ID card. Getting a photo ID invariably requires proof of identification; usually, that means you need your birth certificate. But what if you don’t have your birth certificate? Then you have to contact whatever government office is in charge of that sort of thing to get a copy of it. And that can be a real pain in the *** for a lot of reasons.
  • I ordered a copy of my birth certificate back in '09. I had to submit the request in the form of application, and identification. If no state identification was had, my parent had to provide their identification. So I submitted my mother's birth certificate. Imagine the pickle I'd be in had my mother not had hers.
  • What happens if my birth certificate had a mistake on it? I'll tell you this, when I had to correct my social security card from Daniel to David, I also needed my mom's birth certificate.
What if a birth certificate never existed?
  • No, that doesn't mean you're an illegal alien. A lot of rural folks were born on farms, or to midwives in homes.
And did you know that in 2010, the birth certificates of all American citizens born in Puerto Rico expired? Because they did. So if you were born in Puerto Rico and you need a birth certificate, well, good luck with that. Sure, you can pay five bucks to get a new one—and let’s not forget that for some people, like low-income folks or homeless folks, even five dollars is five dollars too much—but guess what you need in order to get a new birth certificate?
  • Photo ID

One that isn't copied from the article; were you ever handed state or federally accepted photo identification without applying, paying a fee, or having paid a fee?
  • I wasn't

So help me out mang... which one of these is not a real concern? Which one of these is only hypothetical, and could never actually exist in the real world?
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Pretty damn good post
 
Harambe said:
When understanding a different view, you must first have put yourself in their shoes. The article does a pretty **** job of engineering itself for people that don't want to hear people complain; it presents a well bitched about problem before it presents a route to the solution. It also tells me you didn't really read it, you just grabbed the first bit you could.

Allow me to point out what you missed:

In Texas, for example, the cost of traveling to the nearest Department of Public Safety office, Texas’ version of the DMV, can be burdensome: Of the 254 counties in Texas, 78 do not have a permanent DPS office. In some communities along the Mexican border, the nearest DPS office is between 100 and 125 miles away. And in rural communities in other states, the DMV offices are few and far between.
  • Can you imagine having to travel 50-62.5 miles to get to a DPS for a pircture ID? Without a vehicle of your own?
Oftentimes, people don’t even have the money to pay for the underlying documentation needed to get a photo ID card. Getting a photo ID invariably requires proof of identification; usually, that means you need your birth certificate. But what if you don’t have your birth certificate? Then you have to contact whatever government office is in charge of that sort of thing to get a copy of it. And that can be a real pain in the *** for a lot of reasons.
  • I ordered a copy of my birth certificate back in '09. I had to submit the request in the form of application, and identification. If no state identification was had, my parent had to provide their identification. So I submitted my mother's birth certificate. Imagine the pickle I'd be in had my mother not had hers.
  • What happens if my birth certificate had a mistake on it? I'll tell you this, when I had to correct my social security card from Daniel to David, I also needed my mom's birth certificate.
What if a birth certificate never existed?
  • No, that doesn't mean you're an illegal alien. A lot of rural folks were born on farms, or to midwives in homes.
And did you know that in 2010, the birth certificates of all American citizens born in Puerto Rico expired? Because they did. So if you were born in Puerto Rico and you need a birth certificate, well, good luck with that. Sure, you can pay five bucks to get a new one—and let’s not forget that for some people, like low-income folks or homeless folks, even five dollars is five dollars too much—but guess what you need in order to get a new birth certificate?
  • Photo ID

One that isn't copied from the article; were you ever handed state or federally accepted photo identification without applying, paying a fee, or having paid a fee?
  • I wasn't

So help me out mang... which one of these is not a real concern? Which one of these is only hypothetical, and could never actually exist in the real world?
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When I said "hypothetical" it was because I know that it's possible to imagine obstacles, but are real people who want to vote actually being stopped by these obstacles? I think not. Every person faces some sort of obstacle every day. That's a big part of life. Nobody seems to be concerned that filling out tax forms is not especially convenient, or that registering a car can be a hassle, or that it might be easier to go through life without ever filling out an insurance form. You think the one thing in life that should have no obstacles whatsoever is voting? To me it makes a lot more sense to ask people to endure the relatively minor inconvenience of obtaining an ID than creating a voting system where we could not possibly know who is voting or how many times they are voting.
 
Harambe said:
Can you imagine having to travel 50-62.5 miles to get to a DPS for a pircture ID? Without a vehicle of your own?
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Yes, I've done it myself, while living on a monthly budget that included travel of less than $30.

I had to travel for three hours by bus.

While it was annoying and difficult, I had to do it.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Nobody seems to be concerned that filling out tax forms is not especially convenient, or that registering a car can be a hassle, or that it might be easier to go through life without ever filling out an insurance form. You think the one thing in life that should have no obstacles whatsoever is voting?
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As an American, I obviously think that buying a gun is the one thing in life that should have no obstacles. It's not like voting is a right of every citizen.[\sarcasm]

Joe Bagadonuts said:
To me it makes a lot more sense to ask people to endure the relatively minor inconvenience of obtaining an ID than creating a voting system where we could not possibly know who is voting or how many times they are voting.
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Voter impersonation accounts for something like 0.0001% of the vote, at most. If voter ID disenfranchises even one person, it is a worse problem than than voter impersonation.
 
One Brow said:
As an American, I obviously think that buying a gun is the one thing in life that should have no obstacles. It's not like voting is a right of every citizen.[\sarcasm]



Voter impersonation accounts for something like 0.0001% of the vote, at most. If voter ID disenfranchises even one person, it is a worse problem than than voter impersonation.
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Voting isn't a right of every citizen. Felons can't vote for example.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
When I said "hypothetical" it was because I know that it's possible to imagine obstacles, but are real people who want to vote actually being stopped by these obstacles? I think not. Every person faces some sort of obstacle every day. That's a big part of life. Nobody seems to be concerned that filling out tax forms is not especially convenient, or that registering a car can be a hassle, or that it might be easier to go through life without ever filling out an insurance form. You think the one thing in life that should have no obstacles whatsoever is voting? To me it makes a lot more sense to ask people to endure the relatively minor inconvenience of obtaining an ID than creating a voting system where we could not possibly know who is voting or how many times they are voting.
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Are you charged to speak? Have a gun? Not to house soldiers in time of war?

Voting IS a right. You are entitled it to, and accommodate everyone, or you disqualify it from being a right.

We can bicker about crocodile tears forever, but that's not going to get either of us any further. Is it, or isn't voting a right?
 
Archie Moses said:
Yes, I've done it myself, while living on a monthly budget that included travel of less than $30.

I had to travel for three hours by bus.

While it was annoying and difficult, I had to do it.
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If you have, why in the blue hell would you want others to?

And no. "I had to, so others should, too" is not a good enough reason.
 
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