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If not Rubio then what?

Handlogten's Heros said:
Those are serious injuries... I’d rather have a guy sit than play like garbage. At least when he did play you knew what you were getting. He was a better defender too.

We don’t need a true pg... might be better off with a Hill type anyway.
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He's million years old. I don't know why you keep bringing him up. A marginal upgrade well into his 30s.
 
Alfalfa said:
He's million years old. I don't know why you keep bringing him up. A marginal upgrade well into his 30s.
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Not a marginal upgrade at all. He’s currently shooting 55/48 and he never turns the ball over. We know he fits the system.

If there was an amazing long term option available that’d be great... but long term options cost decent assets. He would be an absolutely huge improvement over what we are getting and would provide some variation in the backcourt.

He’s 32... and does it matter how old he is if he’s playing good basketball? Do Dante’s buckets get more points cuz he’s younger? Ricky has been complete ***... he’s under 30... it ain’t working.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not a marginal upgrade at all. He’s currently shooting 55/48 and he never turns the ball over. We know he fits the system.

If there was an amazing long term option available that’d be great... but long term options cost decent assets. He would be an absolutely huge improvement over what we are getting and would provide some variation in the backcourt.

He’s 32... and does it matter how old he is if he’s playing good basketball? Do Dante’s buckets get more points cuz he’s younger? Ricky has been complete ***... he’s under 30... it ain’t working.
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It's a pointless acquisition if it doesn't help us develop into a championship contender over the next few years. Which he won't. And we're not contending this year. Not to forget he spurned Utah's offer.
 
Alfalfa said:
It's a pointless acquisition if it doesn't help us develop into a championship contender over the next few years. Which he won't. And we're not contending this year. Not to forget he spurned Utah's offer.
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Ricky makes us a contender in the next few years? How about if we keep marching him out and miss the playoffs this year... are we an attractive FA destination? Getting Hill or another guy that is a better fit absolutely helps us this year and helps us know what we need going forward.

Just because a deal doesn’t make us a contender doesn’t mean it is pointless... gtfoh with that logic.
 
Find a guy that makes us better this year or in the future at the position... then ask is that guy available in trade? Then ask what would we have to give up for said player? My guess is anyone that is going to benefit us now or in the future is either not available or costs a **** ton of assets we don’t want to cash in. As an on court fit I see nothing I think would be nearly as good as Hill... even if he only plays half the time.

Ricky has been so bad... he needs to improve or we need to go more triple wing. We did it last night with AB Joe and Royce and it worked really well.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Ricky makes us a contender in the next few years? How about if we keep marching him out and miss the playoffs this year... are we an attractive FA destination? Getting Hill or another guy that is a better fit absolutely helps us this year and helps us know what we need going forward.

Just because a deal doesn’t make us a contender doesn’t mean it is pointless... gtfoh with that logic.
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I agree that Ricky gotta go. But your suggestion is just not good. If nobody better can be had, then move Mitchell to the 1 and target a wing/shooting big.
 
Alfalfa said:
I agree that Ricky gotta go. But your suggestion is just not good. If nobody better can be had, then move Mitchell to the 1 and target a wing/shooting big.
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Hill is better at everything we need from a point guard... everything. Instead of saying he’s old or not good go look at what he’s doing. Also realize he killed it in our system two years ago while dealing with an injury.

My only concern is locker room stuff. If it was just him turning down a contract that’s just business (bad business for him). If it was a lot deeper than that then I get it... but on court there are no better options we could get in a straight swap.
 
To get Hill, we would have to trade guys we need for either our depth or other type deals. The Cavs wont be interested in Rubio so we would trade Favors or Burks to make salaries meet. Adding Hill to Rubio would be messy.

Nobody wants Rubio. I'm not sure if anybody needs Rubio. Rubio could be badass at $6-8 million a year. At an expiring $15, he is only valuable as an expiring for a longer deal.

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LoPo said:
To get Hill, we would have to trade guys we need for either our depth or other type deals. The Cavs wont be interested in Rubio so we would trade Favors or Burks to make salaries meet. Adding Hill to Rubio would be messy.

Nobody wants Rubio. I'm not sure if anybody needs Rubio. Rubio could be badass at $6-8 million a year. At an expiring $15, he is only valuable as an expiring for a longer deal.

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Huh? Why wouldn’t they want Rubio... can help as Sexton develops... just like Hill is doing but saves them 4M this year and 1M next year.

Favs is redundant to Thompson... they might prefer AB but 5M plus a good mentor for Colin ain’t bad. Plus he’s homies with Love so he can help keep him happy.
 
Maybe, just maybe Cleveland wants to bring in Rubio to save a little money. They are trying to get Hill to mentor Sexton. Maybe Rubio can do that...

I just don't think DL would trade Rubio potentially upsetting Mitchell and potentially upsetting anyone who was annoyed by Hill's soft nature a couple years ago.

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LoPo said:
Maybe, just maybe Cleveland wants to bring in Rubio to save a little money. They are trying to get Hill to mentor Sexton. Maybe Rubio can do that...

I just don't think DL would trade Rubio potentially upsetting Mitchell and potentially upsetting anyone who was annoyed by Hill's soft nature a couple years ago.

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I don’t think Hill is soft... he may have been a little bit selfish with not playing but he had a lot of money on the line... ask IT how awesome it is to lay it out for a franchise and do damage to your body that costs you tens of millions of dollars.
 
I think guys like Gobert and others still around from 2 years ago might still be pissed at him.

Let's be realistic. We aren't trading Rubio for Hill. I don't think we will trade Rubio at all. If for some reason we did, it would be because Exum, Mitchell and Grayson are covering PG fine. Once again, I dont think we have the balls to roll the dice with just the younger guys.

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