Its Time to Tank

[Eddie Zero]

Mike conley is the reason his minutes are down my dude. Nothing more and nothing less. Its that simple. No need to guess at his health.

I mean if he had health issues this would be the perfect season to simply rest her completely rather than make him a 6th man type right? What makes you think he isnt healthy other than lack of minutes?


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i think JC is why if anything, not Mike if it is all about seniority or something and I am wrong about his health. Sexton is not proven as a point guard at all, so Mike isn't in front of him, he is in front of NAW unless Hardy is really forcing Sexton to wait before he unleashes him as the next pg

 

[Elizah Huge]

If Sexton was getting 16.9 attempts per game like Clarkson he would easily average 20+. He’s averaging 14.1 PPG on 9.6 attempts per game right now.

 

[fishonjazz]

i think JC is why if anything, not Mike if it is all about seniority or something and I am wrong about his health. Sexton is not proven as a point guard at all, so Mike isn't in front of him, he is in front of NAW unless Hardy is really forcing Sexton to wait before he unleashes him as the next pg

Ya JC, mike, whatever. Him playing poorly isnt the reason his minutes are down. He has played great. Literally playing the best ball of his career this season.
His minutes are down because of depth and talent at the positions he plays is good.

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[Eddie Zero]

If Sexton was getting 16.9 attempts per game like Clarkson he would easily average 20+. He’s averaging 14.1 PPG on 9.6 attempts per game right now.

then why isn't he getting the usage if he is 100% and JC trade yet???

 

[fishonjazz]

then why isn't he getting the usage if he is 100% and JC trade yet???

We already went over this. Because of the quality and depth of the position Sexton plays.


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[Eddie Zero]

Ya JC, mike, whatever. Him playing poorly isnt the reason his minutes are down. He has played great. Literally playing the best ball of his career this season.
His minutes are down because of depth and talent at the positions he plays is good.

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I disagree as I stated from the jump. His numbers no matter how efficient this season, are against lesser defenders than as a first option in CLE, and he has not earned the usage against better defenders. I don't care if it is because of older players in front of him or health maybe its a little of both. He should be starting and feasting on the open looks he would have a lot of, having a player of the Finnishers gravity with him. Maybe after those other guards are out of the picture we will see it. My gut tells me unless Hardy is pressured to try to kill the vets trade values by over playing them into innefficiency right before the trade deadline. My assumption is Sexton gets traded easier, as his numbers are as you say more efficeint in a vacuum, regardless of situation, for any other gm not interested in the chuckers in front of him facing better defenders.

 

[Eddie Zero]

We already went over this. Because of the quality and depth of the position Sexton plays.


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not a good enough reason and those players are not better than him by your measurements stat wise at all smh

 

[fishonjazz]

I disagree as I stated from the jump. His numbers no matter how efficient this season, are against lesser defenders than as a first option in CLE, and he has not earned the usage against better defenders. I don't care if it is because of older players in front of him or health maybe its a little of both. He should be starting and feasting on the open looks he would have a lot of, having a player of the Finnishers gravity with him. Maybe after those other guards are out of the picture we will see it. My gut tells me unless Hardy is pressured to try to kill the vets trade values by over playing them into innefficiency right before the trade deadline. My assumption is Sexton gets traded easier, as his numbers are as you say more efficeint in a vacuum, regardless of situation, for any other gm not interested in the chuckers in front of him facing better defenders.

Why do you think he snt getting as many minutes? We have established that it cant be due to poor play since he is playing better than he ever has before.
If you think its due to injury then what other factors are there to support that theory besides just minutes being down (since we know his minutes could be down for many reasons that have nothing to do with injuries)?

He is getting up for amazing dunks and rebounds so his jumping ability isnt being effected by this hypothetical injury. He is still the fastest player on the team and i have heard announcers of other team express their amazement at his speed so his speed isnt being effected by the hypothetical injury. He is shooting career highs so his shooting isnt being effected by injury. He is getting to the line just as often as ever and attacking the paint against much bigger players just as much so his aggressiveness isnt being affected by his hypothetical injury.

What makes you think he is hurt and why do you think the jazz would play him at all if he was hurt.

And you never answered the question of why you think he is struggling with shooting and scoring. You said he is playing against backups and playing less minutes and usage but i still domt see how playing against backuos in less minutes equals struggling to shoot and score when his scoring his usual amounts in his lesser minutes and shooting career highs.



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[fishonjazz]

not a good enough reason and those players are not better than him by your measurements stat wise at all smh

Im not the coach. My measurements of stats have no bearing on playing time at all silly. Maybe sextons play style isnt what hardy likes. And maybe hardy is like a lot of coaches and plays senior players over younger players. Maybe conley and clarkson know the system hardy is running better than sexton.

What makes you think he is injured or struggling with his shooting and scoring?



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[Korisfani]

Playing Lauri zero minutes and Gay 30 ain't gonna change things for ya? I just think if you pull 2-3 depth pieces and then sit Lauri or JC a few extra nights it will swing a few games. If you would have gone 3-3 i could see you easily going 1-5. Two games matters. We play OKC 4 times between now and the end of the season. Going 2-2 vs. 1-3 could be the difference between 8-9 or 10-11 right there. It is so damn tight literally every game will matter.

I feel like we're dancing on the head of a pin here

Again, not easily. Let's says as you put it before Lauri is difference between -2 and +2 - 55 % and 45 % (and that's likely a bit too much). The chances of going 1-5 as the favorite (with Lauri (or JC)) are ~6 %. The chances as the dog (with Lauri out) are ~13 %. Most often you'll go 3-3, no matter what.

Resting Lauri on b2bs for injury prevention etc. down the stretch, smart. Resting him for lottery purposes, very unlikely to make any difference.

Obviously trading all the vets + not getting back anyone decent changes things much more. But then again Jazz/DA made it quite clear in the McMahon piece that he won't make any trades for or even think about trades simply for the purpose of advancing in the lottery.

And really, what's the value between the 8-9 seed and the 10-11? Approx. zilch.

 

[fishonjazz]

I feel like we're dancing on the head of a pin here

Again, not easily. Let's says as you put it before Lauri is difference between -2 and +2 - 55 % and 45 % (and that's likely a bit too much). The chances of going 1-5 as the favorite (with Lauri (or JC)) are ~6 %. The chances as the dog (with Lauri out) are ~13 %. Most often you'll go 3-3, no matter what.

Resting Lauri on b2bs for injury prevention etc. down the stretch, smart. Resting him for lottery purposes, very unlikely to make any difference.

Obviously trading all the vets + not getting back anyone decent changes things much more. But then again Jazz/DA made it quite clear in the McMahon piece that he won't make any trades for or even think about trades simply for the purpose of advancing in the lottery.

And really, what's the value between the 8-9 seed and the 10-11? Approx. zilch.

Do you think teams are better or worse when they dont play their best players? Simple question
This statement by you “Resting him for lottery purposes, very unlikely to make any difference.” Makes me think that you think a team is the same good without their best players. Which is weird.


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[Korisfani]

Do you think teams are better or worse when they dont play their best players? Simple question
This statement by you “Resting him for lottery purposes, very unlikely to make any difference.” Makes me think that you think a team is the same good without their best players. Which is weird.

If you've read a single message in this conversation, you'd know the answer. In that example just one player (Lauri) makes a massive difference, swinging a game from 2pt favorite to 2pt dog. However, that difference doesn't magically translate to a 10 game losing streak or whatever.

You take out Lauri and the dog probably still goes 3-3. You keep Lauri in and the favorite still goes 3-3. Going 1-5 is very unlikely.