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Jaren Jackson Jr. traded to the Jazz

Tanktastic said:
What's worse than losing four years in a row on purpose, destroying player's careers and taking all the fun out of basketball? Will someone come and spread feces on me?
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Tanktastic said:
How many tanking years would have satisfied you? 6? 8? 10? 20?
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Just watch this team be in no man’s land for the next 28 to 30 years because that’s what I suffered through no man’s land is watching your team run through regular season after regular season only to struggle and not be very good in the playoffs and seeing all of our weaknesses come out and feeling helpless about it. I did that for 28 effing years so quite frankly, I don’t care about winning. I don’t care about losing I just want to remember what it’s like to actually be a real championship contender for me. That’s all that matters.
 
Been watching clip after clip of MEM offense under both Jenkins and Lisalo....It's such a stark difference in how they play. Very little going on offense compared to the Jazz. They are mostly just a spread it out, then isolate/run PnR type of team. Can't really say for sure how JJJ will be in the dribble handoff situations because that's just not something they did under either coach. Vanilla isn't necessarily bad, but they were vanilla af.

JJJ's main thing is being the trailer and isolating/running at the defense from the top. He's operating in the same spots as a Nurk, there's no off ball movement coming to the ball.
 
KqWIN said:
Been watching clip after clip of MEM offense under both Jenkins and Lisalo....It's such a stark difference in how they play. Very little going on offense compared to the Jazz. They are mostly just a spread it out, then isolate/run PnR type of team. Can't really say for sure how JJJ will be in the dribble handoff situations because that's just not something they did under either coach. Vanilla isn't necessarily bad, but they were vanilla af.

JJJ's main thing is being the trailer and isolating/running at the defense from the top. He's operating in the same spots as a Nurk, there's no off ball movement coming to the ball.
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Thanks for watching and giving us a breakdown
 
KqWIN said:
Been watching clip after clip of MEM offense under both Jenkins and Lisalo....It's such a stark difference in how they play. Very little going on offense compared to the Jazz. They are mostly just a spread it out, then isolate/run PnR type of team. Can't really say for sure how JJJ will be in the dribble handoff situations because that's just not something they did under either coach. Vanilla isn't necessarily bad, but they were vanilla af.

JJJ's main thing is being the trailer and isolating/running at the defense from the top. He's operating in the same spots as a Nurk, there's no off ball movement coming to the ball.
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Sounds like an opportunity both for him to not play winning basketball while he figures it out now, and him to take a leap after he figures it out in the future. Which would be perfect.
 
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I think Taylor Jenkins' offense is kind of a gimmick. Once teams prepare for the helter skelter ball they can stop it. We saw that in MIA, but that could just be a case of MIA's talent running short. MEM was 6th in offense last season and I think some of the same principles can carry over to any offense.

What makes that style of offense suitable for JJJ is the mismatches. I don't think JJJ is really good enough to take on good defenders who matchup well, but there's also not a ton of guys that matchup super well with him and his goofy *** iso game can take advantage of guys bigger or smaller than him. It's not pretty, but effective. And if you have a big like Edey/Adams (or Kessler) who can hit the glass it's just very hard to stop in transition/live ball situations.

Other teams will have hard time finding a defender for both Lauri and JJJ....and having a guy to boxout Kessler. It may not be pretty, but I remain optimistic that Hardy will create a very good offense with the 3 bigs. If JJJ shows the skill to be a passer from the top and execute on the dribble handoffs, lookout.
 
KqWIN said:
Other teams will have hard time finding a defender for both Lauri and JJJ....and having a guy to boxout Kessler. It may not be pretty, but I remain optimistic that Hardy will create a very good offense with the 3 bigs. If JJJ shows the skill to be a passer from the top and execute on the dribble handoffs, lookout.
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Maybe they could double a guard off of Key or Ace?
 
ekimebirt said:
Instead we had 4 years of sucking without actively tanking.
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You might have amnesia, but the Jazz just had the worst record in the league. Your odds don't improve any more with more losses.

ekimebirt said:
I hope I am wrong by I am just concerned that the Jazz were not truly prepared to tank. I thought the tank was about getting a true #1 option to pair with Laurie, someone who could lead the team to a championship.
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Guess what, you don't always get what you wish for.

Whatever the Jazz did or did not do, they had the best odds in last year's lottery. And got Ace Bailey out of that.

The year before that had the Jazz had the worst record, they would've got the 5th pick and could've taken… Ron Holland. Or maybe they would've had the 2nd pick and could've taken… Reed Sheppard. Yea.

However much they tanked or tanked more or tanked for a decade, that doesn't get you a true superstar. Certainly not during Markkanen's prime. There's been two of those true #1s in these three years, and guess what, neither of them ended up with the biggest and bestest tanker - certainly not Flagg.

ekimebirt said:
Of the 4 years they maybe tanked 1.
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Maybe? They had the worst record. And they've tanked their *** of this year, and seemingly will continue to do so in the most flagrant way.

And if your wish has been a star to pair with Lauri, well, then that means he's on the team.
 
KqWIN said:
Other teams will have hard time finding a defender for both Lauri and JJJ....and having a guy to boxout Kessler. It may not be pretty, but I remain optimistic that Hardy will create a very good offense with the 3 bigs. If JJJ shows the skill to be a passer from the top and execute on the dribble handoffs, lookout.
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Yeah. Depending on how the lottery and draft go, Ace is going to need to go to Handles Academy this summer and work harder than he ever has. Secondary ballhandling is going to be critical.
 
jom2003 said:
Walker's high post passing will be key. He needs to learn everything from Nurk, while he's still here.
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Kessler is a reasonably talented passer IMO, but the passing lanes will not be open if teams will just sag way off him when he's at the elbow. The Jazz are playing 4 on 5 then.

Walker must learn to make a wide open midrange jumper (or floater, or push shot... I don't care), ASAP. Nurk is no sharpshooter, but you can't just leave him alone 18 feet from the hoop. That's what opens up his game.

It's nice that Kessler made some 3's before he went out, but that's still something of a gimmick shot for him. It's equally important not to look helpless in the midrange.
 
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