Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

[yamers]

i still think mitchell goes to NY sooner or later and the jazz get a haul.

 

[NUMBERICA]

It’s 6:48am and I am here, checking this **** for more than the first time today. I don’t work until noon.

Somebody call somebody.

 

[kabenac]

Count me in with Mini Van. I’m hoping Danny has already told Leon and the Knicks to get ****ed.

That franchise has tampered behind the scenes with Donovan for over 3 seasons now. Hell, they were even bold enough to send the entire NYK front office to Dallas so they could sit 2-3 rows behind the Jazz bench in Game 1 vs the Mavs a few months ago. A tacky move that had GM’s across the league pissed off.

Now they wanna try and pull this fake tough guy ********? Contrary to what people in NY may think, Danny Ainge and the Utah Jazz can launch a successful rebuild without any cooperation from the Knicks what so ever. Hell, considering what we got outta Minnesota, I’d dare say we’re already ahead of schedule.

**** NY.

Post of the year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It’s 6:48am and I am here, checking this **** for more than the first time today. I don’t work until noon.

Somebody call somebody.

First week in August… I have no service… that’s when it happens. Book it.

 

[LogGrad98]

If you don’t add like a few bing bongs and really dumb it down I’m not sure they will get it.

Dear Knicks fans reading this board,

Our logic is based on the following:
- We just got 5 FRP for Rudy Gobert
- The national media guys (who have sources) are saying that Don probably goes for 6 FRP

But, for some reason, your front office that has all of the leverage in negotiations with one of the most ruthless GMs of all time for a player who hasn’t even demanded a trade.

Good luck with that one. I’d love to hear one logical argument that supports any of the nonsense you’re spewing all over the internet. Hey I'm walkin' here!

Does that help?

 

[Elizah Huge]

Does that help?

Yes, but you forgot a Bing Bong or two.

 

[infection]

Yes, but you forgot a Bing Bong or two.

My younger kids always call Ding Dongs Bing Bongs.

 

[LoPo]

My take on all this -

Ainge didn't like anything he saw last year and wanted to burn it to the ground. Quin left because he knew he'd be working with nothing and it could tarnish his coaching record. Ainge then avoided the draft completely. Ainge's first big roster move was to get a draft pick while simultaneously sending a message that nobody was safe. Ainge then shopped around Rudy until he got a deal he wanted and a deal all larger than almost everybody expected.

After those two deals, Ainge could have come to Don and said - "hey Don - we are going to build a vision with you as a focus of it." According to some reports, that was supposedly the plan. Seemed like Hardy was on board with that too. We did, after all, get 3 good players in that Minnesota deal (PG, Beasley and JV). But who knows - those reports could have just been posturing and positive small market "optics" towards the team's remaining star. Not long after those "build around Don" reports, our FO said Don was available.

Could be that Don said he didn't have interest in a rebuild so Ainge then shopped him. I personally feel that if Don refused the organization's attempt to build around him, it would have leaked through the media. After months and months of Andy Larsen and Tony Jones and other reports about "Don eventually wanting out", any sort of refusal by Don's camp would have been leaked by now. People will speculate that CAA might be pulling strings, but the Jazz have more reason to release that Don wants out than they do to keep that quiet. We are, after all, shopping a star at the beginning of his prime even though there is a solid roster with assets still in place. And Don has more reason to leak that he wants out than he does to stay quiet.

So my firm belief is that Ainge wanted to ship out Rudy, Don and anybody else regardless of what Rudy or Don wanted.

Now, our organization has missed any opportunity of building around Donovan Mitchell. No, Donovan didn't force Ainge's hand. This is what Ainge wanted all along. He wanted a blank slate. Coach, then stars then remaining roster.

 

[gomretat]

My take on all this -

Ainge didn't like anything he saw last year and wanted to burn it to the ground. Quin left because he knew he'd be working with nothing and it could tarnish his coaching record. Ainge then avoided the draft completely. Ainge's first big roster move was to get a draft pick while simultaneously sending a message that nobody was safe. Ainge then shopped around Rudy until he got a deal he wanted and a deal all larger than almost everybody expected.

After those two deals, Ainge could have come to Don and said - "hey Don - we are going to build a vision with you as a focus of it." According to some reports, that was supposedly the plan. Seemed like Hardy was on board with that too. We did, after all, get 3 good players in that Minnesota deal (PG, Beasley and JV). But who knows - those reports could have just been posturing and positive small market "optics" towards the team's remaining star. Not long after those "build around Don" reports, our FO said Don was available.

Could be that Don said he didn't have interest in a rebuild so Ainge then shopped him. I personally feel that if Don refused the organization's attempt to build around him, it would have leaked through the media. After months and months of Andy Larsen and Tony Jones and other reports about "Don eventually wanting out", any sort of refusal by Don's camp would have been leaked by now. People will speculate that CAA might be pulling strings, but the Jazz have more reason to release that Don wants out than they do to keep that quiet. We are, after all, shopping a star at the beginning of his prime even though there is a solid roster with assets still in place. And Don has more reason to leak that he wants out than he does to stay quiet.

So my firm belief is that Ainge wanted to ship out Rudy, Don and anybody else regardless of what Rudy or Don wanted.

Now, our organization has missed any opportunity of building around Donovan Mitchell. No, Donovan didn't force Ainge's hand. This is what Ainge wanted all along. He wanted a blank slate. Coach, then stars then remaining roster.

We may never know and you might be right. IMO it has been clear for several years that Donny was not happy in Utah and that he was not here long term. Not sure how anyone could think otherwise as the evidence seems pretty clear. My guess is that Donny wanted out and he and the Jazz kept it on the low down because it is better for both parties.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

From Katz at the Athletic on the NY day to day GM:

Leon Rose is New York’s team president, but he doesn’t do most of the day-to-day trade calls. Most commonly, those are up to vice president of basketball and strategic planning Brock Aller, who oversees salary cap management. Every once in a while, someone else will take the reins, especially when another Knicks higher-up has a solid relationship with an executive in an opposing front office they’re trying to make a deal with.

Aller obsesses over marginal value, which should be refreshing for Knicks fans who remain traumatized from teams of the past needlessly tossing first-round picks into the fireplace. He wants to hold onto picks and acquire others. He notoriously squeezes teams just for the draft rights to an extra player, something that’s far more trivial to most others.

Buckle up... Ainge vs. Aller gonna be a fight.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

From Katz at the Athletic on the NY day to day GM:

Leon Rose is New York’s team president, but he doesn’t do most of the day-to-day trade calls. Most commonly, those are up to vice president of basketball and strategic planning Brock Aller, who oversees salary cap management. Every once in a while, someone else will take the reins, especially when another Knicks higher-up has a solid relationship with an executive in an opposing front office they’re trying to make a deal with.

Aller obsesses over marginal value, which should be refreshing for Knicks fans who remain traumatized from teams of the past needlessly tossing first-round picks into the fireplace. He wants to hold onto picks and acquire others. He notoriously squeezes teams just for the draft rights to an extra player, something that’s far more trivial to most others.

Buckle up... Ainge vs. Aller gonna be a fight.

Is it Ainge vs Aller?

It's probably more like Zanick vs Aller then whenever things get close, it will be Ainge vs Rose.

 

[Jazz Fusion]

Nah, it would be Vic and Scoot most likely. Maybe Vic and one of the twins.

I would not draft Ware #2 as of right now if thats who you talking bout.

Nah, it would be Vic and Scoot most likely. Maybe Vic and one of the twins.

I would not draft Ware #2 as of right now if thats who you talking bout.

I was being sarcastic. Dennis Lindsey’s comments on hand pads and lateral movement measurements have given me permanent draft night ptsd.