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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

One thing I don't get. If getting Grimes is this huge priority... a big chunk of his value is because he is cheap the next three years... which doesn't do a ton for us.

It’s better than having to pay an extension right away I suppose but I’m not sure why he’d be a sticking point just like I’m not sure McDaniels was but likely a way to get more picks. Only player I think really has to be involved is Toppin. You can swap the other young players anyway you want.
 
We need at least three 1sts that aren’t protected more than about top 3-5. Then one more that is protected top 15. And a couple swaps. Or the Knicks can kindly **** off.
I want all four of them. But Ainge wants more than either of us, so we’re good.
 
You don’t even entertain them if the picks aren’t unprotected. If the Knicks are offering protected picks and the Heat are offering unprotected that’s where the deals can start looking very similar value wise.
Exactly part of the reason I've never really considered Miami to be a real player in this. Maybe I'm missing something, but do we have solid reports that Miami is trying to offer all their picks unprotected? Or just our own speculation?

(Whatever 4th pick they might possibly be able to scrounge up will almost surely be protected).
 
Another reason why we should like the deal with Miami/Dallas is they keep Robinson which is a win-win because we don’t have to take him and him plus Bertans really keeps them from freeing up cap space for a few years. Donovan can opt out before the 2026 season. His last season before his player option 2025 so their 1st that year we wouldn’t own (OKC does) but after that we’d get pick swaps in 26/28 and their picks in 27/29. It could get pretty juicy right around that time.
 
Exactly part of the reason I've never really considered Miami to be a real player in this. Maybe I'm missing something, but do we have solid reports that Miami is trying to offer all their picks unprotected? Or just our own speculation?

(Whatever 4th pick they might possibly be able to scrounge up will almost surely be protected).
Because they have limited assets we get it all basically. The Knicks have a lot of stuff but don't want to give it all. They'd like to give 1% more than the highest bidder.

I think Danny is more patient than the Knicks. I think if it gets messy for us it gets messy for Donovan and the Knicks. We are still like 5-6 weeks away from it being messy... so either they cave, we find a better offer elsewhere, or we wait it out.
 
I didn't believe we could win a title with everything built around Rudy. It's not hate; it's an opinion.
You don’t simply build around Mitchell or Gobert. The problem is they took a bunch of scrap parts and threw them around Gobert and Mitchell, then our idiot coach told michell to score and told Gobert to be this teams defense. You absolutely can build around the tandem of Gobert and Don. But it was never going to happen how that team was constructed.
 
Tell the Knicks to come back next offseason with a top-10 lottery pick as the centerpiece of their trade offer for Donovan. Then hang up the phone.
 
I think things will move once the Brooklyn situation is resolved... either by trading KD or if they move Kyrie or it comes out that they aren't moving either guy. I think KD's best play is to stay in Brooklyn but have Kyrie get moved. Ky can take all the stink/blame and KD can stay with Ben and whatever they get for Kyrie.

The market is just so constipated until that domino falls. There are also a ton of extension negotiations that need to happen... teams will want answers soon.
 
Ah, says the guy who never brings content. You're nothing but spin talking about me spinning. Funny....

You're like my wife who wants to talk more about "my tone" instead of the fact that I was correct about something.
Your wife might be saying that because, based on your posts on these forums, you don’t sound emotionally balanced or mature. I don’t mean that as a slight - the pandemic has been hard on everyone. But if you’re not currently in therapy, you should definitely start. Get well.
 
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