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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

Handlogten's Heros said:
Look... I know I'm likely super on my own here... but the Heat picks in 27 and 29 if they got Donovan might be better than the Knicks picks in 27 and 29 if they get Donovan. I know its Miami but Butler is old... Lowry is old... I don't think its crazy, but also not likely. The early Knicks picks will obviously be better than the Heat picks. This is especially true if NY is trying to protect the picks somehow. I think Miami will have zero reservations in giving us 3 unprotected picks and 3 unprotected swaps... Then its Jovic/Yurtseven and whatever they get for Strus/Herro. Those guys should net two firsts somewhere.
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Donovan may opt out in 2025 if he goes to Miami too you never know. Especially when Butler is past his prime.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think its ambitious... I doubt they get a first for Lowry, but maybe. I think Strus would be useful in the potential Russ deal though... so you could get some firsts there.
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Make Miami eat Bertans salary and keep Robinson to keep them from being able to make any moves in the near future with cap space.

Would a team send them a 1st for Jovic? Probably.

Herro + Strus + Vincent + salary filler from Dallas + 5 1sts + 3 pick swaps
 
Elizah Huge said:
Make Miami eat Bertans salary and keep Robinson to keep them from being able to make any moves in the near future with cap space.

Would a team send them a 1st for Jovic? Probably.

Herro + Strus + Vincent + salary filler from Dallas + 5 1sts + 3 pick swaps
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I think Herro is more likely to be traded than Jovic. He has to land a couple decent firsts to make the deal decent.

I think if you called Dallas you could get a 1st for Lowry+Strus for Bertans and stuff.

If it becomes 6 firsts, Jovic, Yurt and 3 swaps (2 of which may be the only ones with value).

Jimmy makes a ton and is old and combustible. He goes and it gets a little dicey there.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Nah... if we get into training camp and it isn't resolved we may have an issue. Nothing lost by waiting a few weeks and making NY sweat. I think we could do the Westbrook deal still... I don't think we lose any potential leverage until training camp when things get uncomfortable.
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What happens if NY just flat out says nevermind? Who outside the heat with a meh package is going to offer what Ainge seems to want? Is Donovan going to be happy coming back? What does that do to our tanking?
 
SteakNEggs said:
What happens if NY just flat out says nevermind?
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I honestly don’t think that’s in the realm of possibility. If they say that it’s a bluff.

But the answer to your question is you trade him elsewhere and the Knicks FO gets cleaned the **** out.
 
SteakNEggs said:
What happens if NY just flat out says nevermind? Who outside the heat with a meh package is going to offer what Ainge seems to want? Is Donovan going to be happy coming back? What does that do to our tanking?
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If they are willing to say nevermind then I am not so sure the package they offered was ever really that good. It would hurt the tank... but we would go form surefire bottom 4 team to surefire bottom 8-9 team. We could always do the OKC tank where Don gets swelling and sits.

I would prefer to have this thing done by training camp. If it isn't then I've said I'll take the maximized meh package from the heat maybe. It might not be much different than the Knicks deal if they were just willing to walk away.
 
One thing to note... Pat Riley is Heat Culture... Pat is 77 years old. I would doubt he is in charge in 2027... but who knows.
 
Tony Jones is on Spotify live with Marc Stein right now...he said both teams are motivated to get a deal done for Donovan, and they're just trying to get to a place where both teams can be happy with the trade. He also said the Jazz are definitely not afraid to keep Donovan into the season if they don't get an offer from the Knicks that they like, but he thinks a deal likely gets done before camp begins and Stein also thinks a deal gets done before the season begins.

Stein said his intel is that the Knicks are trying to give up only 4 or 5 first round picks, but he heard Ainge is asking for 7. Tony thinks it takes at least 5 first rounders to get a deal done, slight chance it only takes 4, but definitely not less than that. Tony said that the Knicks have some nice young talent but none of them will ever be at Donovan's level, so the 1st round picks are the most valuable thing to the Jazz.

Stein said he heard that Ryan Smith was initially interested in keeping both Rudy and Don because of the All-Star game being in Utah, but Danny Ainge's influence and voice in the front office shifted the Jazz toward making these moves. He says Ainge's level of influence is rare in the NBA.

Tony says a number of teams are interested in Donovan but the Knicks definitely have the most to offer in terms of draft picks and young players, and they are also the most motivated team to get him.

Tony also said it's still possible that the Jazz keep Donovan and use the haul from the Rudy trade to re-tool around him. I have a really had time seeing this happening.
 
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