Jazz, George Hill taking contract talks down to wire

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  1. Bawse Dawg

    Bawse Dawg Well-Known Member

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    Okay, so what?
     
  2. Lord Bullingdon

    Lord Bullingdon Well-Known Member

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    Those people (me) will still have plenty of ammunition to fire in that argument. There's obvious fat/excess on the books...

    what if it doesn't happen tho? are you gonna start a thread "PG_AB was spot on"

    My prediction that this team will be a platform for him to run the price up has already come true... Quite frankly it's even more extreme than I could've ever anticipated.

    I have also brought up Hill and Hayward and Favors taking less money. If they're gonna do that then what Lindsey's done is a great job --- That seems rather unlikely tho..

    I said right when they traded a lottery pick for an expiring vet that they've given him all the leverage he'll ever need

    It's a fair question to ask;

    WOULD THEY HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF JUST WAITING TO SIGN HIM THIS SUMMER? HOW MUCH $$$ POTENTALLY COULD'VE BEEN SAVED

    Why is it heresay when I point that out?? This is the old Carmelo argument in NY...

    Where is George Hill taking them this season that it was so important to do this?? NOW.
     
  3. Siro

    Siro Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    WTF are you talking about? You don't massively overpay a player for a plethora of reasons. You know, like resigning your players and adding more talent.
     
  4. stitches

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    It's 150% of what he's making now. 1.5x16M =~24M
     
  5. Saint Cy of JFC

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    The Jazz arent going to add any more high priced talent, even if Hill signs for 20 million. We are going to have to draft talent, trade for it, or hope we get good enough to where good aging vets sign for the minimum.
     
  6. stitches

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    It saves 14 million of capspace over the next 3 years if they make a perfectly fair deal(if they subtract the 14M we can give him now from his future salary), or more if Hill gives us some discount for getting tons of money up front.

    Those close to 5M per year are NOT a small amount with all the players we are going to be paying. We need this deal if we want any chance to keep this core together.
     
  7. Siro

    Siro Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    But at 25 million, can we even keep Ingles? Will we be able to retain Hood? I don't want to pay Hill 25m a year. He's not worth that much. DON'T get it done DL.
     
  8. Bawse Dawg

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    So tell me the talent we would be adding. Give me a realistic scenario where we spend that money elsewhere and become a better team.

    We've had cap space and have been worrying about paying all of our players for years, well it's time to pay the piper. Stop looking ahead, we are good now and the priority should be staying that way. How do you even classify 'overpay'? What is our record with and without Hill this year? He has been huge for us. People make a lot of money these days, suck it up.
     
  9. Siro

    Siro Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    So ya, if you're okay with being a decent playoffs team as the peak of this rebuild, then paying Hill the max is okay. Because who cares about flexibility? We're good enough. But I don't think so. I just don't think Hill is THAT good. Maybe we can get Jru Holiday for cheaper, or something.
     
  10. Saint Cy of JFC

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    Ehh, definitely disagree with this. Our hopes of being more than a decent playoff team are on the shoulders of two players, Hayward and Gobert. If those players keep improving then our team keeps improving. Hill is just the 3rd player who stabilizes it all and gives our two stars a consistent level of high level play on both ends. If you lose that, then you risk putting too much burden on those two guys if no one else can step up into that role.
     
  11. Stoked

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    T. Jones just tweeted that a deal will not be done on an extension.
     
  12. Wes Mantooth

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    I think 3 years, 55M is a good starting point.

    Thoughts?
     
  13. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    Then Hill says no.
     
  14. Hotdog

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    **** hill then.
     
  15. Saint Cy of JFC

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  16. Lord Bullingdon

    Lord Bullingdon Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure our definitions of the words "Save" and "Discount" differ as they apply to this topic.

    My point is what is George Hill's market value this summer if he stays in indiana (or gets displaced to another team as a rental)??

    are we all gonna stand around here and throw out #'s like 3 years and 80 mil?? c'mon now..


    He turns 31 this summer, contract values are exploding in the NBA.. why anyone would assume he won't be looking for absolute top-dollar for possibly his last 'big' deal is beyond me. not trying to be a killjoy.. Is that not sound logic tho..?
     
  17. Siro

    Siro Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    How much further improvement can we expect from Hayward and Gobert? And do we wanna pay our third best player (who is really a 16 pts 4 ast kind of guy) the max? I don't. I also don't think that contract would be tradable, in case Exum is ready to start in a couple of years.

    Even 20 is a bit much. I'm being generous here.
     
  18. ♪alt13

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    3yr 66m + 13

    He's not going to get a better offer in FA
     
  19. b_line

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    The rumors were that he would command up to 20 mil per year in the market.
     
  20. Stifle Tower

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    Gordon and George are good friends. So will Hayward now think the Jazz are being cheap? Will he decide to go elsewhere because he doesn't think Utah is serious about keeping talent? Foolish cost savings maneuver by DL.
     

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