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jazz pick up CJ's option

How can there be any controversy about Miles terrible-ness? I'm in awe.
 
How can there be any controversy about Miles terrible-ness? I'm in awe.

Emotions.

Some jazz fans have only been fans for a few years. To them, CJ is still "young" and "has potential"

to most of us old timers, we've seen players and we've seen slugs. Easy to spot which one CJ is.

He's drunk half the time, doesn't work hard, and is just happy to be in the league. Just like Fess.

Karl Malone, Duron Williams, John Stockton, Paul Millsap, Jeff Hornacek, come to mind as guys that were committed to working hard and winning basketball games.

The sooner we get rid of lazy *** cancers like CJ and Fess, the better off we'll be. We need to start this team up with a whole different attitude. Karl and John are gone. Unfortunately, we build our new house on sand, the AK and Boozer "leadership."

I hope that Hayward, Millsap, Kanter, Burks, Favors, etc rise up and become the leaders that we need to one day win a championship.
 
I have heard AK is asking for four years/ $4.5 million per year. At that price the Jazz would be dumb not to bring him back regardless of the CJ situation.
That would be fine IMO, especially if it's frontloaded as much as is allowed by the new CBA. Something like $5.2m, $4.7m, $4.3m, $3.8m would be perfect. AK is twice (thrice?) the player CJ is.
 
If he stays, I think he'll be our best wing next year (which isn't saying a whole lot.)
CJ is only marginally better than AK shooting the basketball, and, as far as I can tell, does absolutely nothing better than lil' Gordo. Paul Millsap is also a far better option than CJ at the 3. CJ should only get garbage time minutes at the 2 if AK is brought back and Burks isn't ready for minutes.
 
CJ is only marginally better than AK shooting the basketball, and, as far as I can tell, does absolutely nothing better than lil' Gordo. Paul Millsap is also a far better option than CJ at the 3. CJ should only get garbage time minutes at the 2 if AK is brought back and Burks isn't ready for minutes.

He drives better. His overall defensive numbers were better per 82games. I'm not knocking Hayward who I think is going to be a really good player. But Hayward probably still needs a year of fine tuning his game.
 
CJ is only marginally better than AK shooting the basketball, and, as far as I can tell, does absolutely nothing better than lil' Gordo. Paul Millsap is also a far better option than CJ at the 3. CJ should only get garbage time minutes at the 2 if AK is brought back and Burks isn't ready for minutes.

He is a way better shooter. AK is left wide open on every shot outside of 15 feet, where CJ actually has his shots contested.
 
He drives better. His overall defensive numbers were better per 82games. I'm not knocking Hayward who I think is going to be a really good player. But Hayward probably still needs a year of fine tuning his game.

CJ outplayed Hayward most of the season, but the board only remembers the last 15 or so games.
 
CJ outplayed Hayward most of the season, but the board only remembers the last 15 or so games.

CJ, with his 5 years NBA experience, barely outplayed a rookie most of the season, and with 10 games left, the rookie was better than him. By the end of the season, it wasn't even close.
 
It also doesn't remember Hayward's last 2 weeks very well.
Really? In the last two weeks (the 7 games in April), CJ and Hayward put up the following numbers (per game):

Hayward

7 Games
35.9 minutes
16.4 Points
3.0 Rebs (4-17-21)
2.6 Assists
0.9 Steals
0.1 Blocks
1.9 TO
2.4 PF
.581 FG (43-74)
.571 3PT (12-21)
.773 FT (17-22)


CJ

6 Games
26.8 Minutes
10.0 Points
2.3 Rebounds (4-10-14)
2.2 Assists
0.7 Steals
0.7 Blocks
1.8 TO
3.3 PF
.371 FG (23-62)
.167 3PT (3-18)
.786 FT (11-14)


If that's what we get from Hayward moving forward, awesome (especially if it comes with half decent defense). If that's what we get from CJ, ick (CJ scored 10 points per game on 10.3 fga/g, Gordo scored 16.4 ppg on 10.6 fga/g...yikes.).
 
Really? In the last two weeks (the 7 games in April), CJ and Hayward put up the following numbers (per game):

Hayward

7 Games
35.9 minutes
16.4 Points
3.0 Rebs (4-17-21)
2.6 Assists
0.9 Steals
0.1 Blocks
1.9 TO
2.4 PF
.581 FG (43-74)
.571 3PT (12-21)
.773 FT (17-22)


CJ

6 Games
26.8 Minutes
10.0 Points
2.3 Rebounds (4-10-14)
2.2 Assists
0.7 Steals
0.7 Blocks
1.8 TO
3.3 PF
.371 FG (23-62)
.167 3PT (3-18)
.786 FT (11-14)


If that's what we get from Hayward moving forward, awesome (especially if it comes with half decent defense). If that's what we get from CJ, ick.

No question Hayward played better than CJ over the last 2 weeks. CJ was horrible. What people forget is the way Hayward would trade good games with bad games, or more specifically passive games with aggressive games. When Hayward gets himself 10 or more shots, he puts up better all around numbers. When he fades into the wallpaper on offense, he doesn't do as well.
 
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