Jazz play with no passion or heart because of JSloan

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Archie Moses, May 27, 2010.

  1. Archie Moses

    Archie Moses Well-Known Member

    11,032
    2,193
    268
    May 25, 2010
    I'm not big on Sloan being around for too much longer, but to question why he's been around for so long is just silly. How many times has JSloan missed the playoffs? The part that really gets to me in this garbage of an article is the when the author says that the Jazz players play with no passion and heart because of Jerry. Seriously? I mean, seriously?

    [​IMG]

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/397681-has-time-passed-by-jerry-sloan-and-the-jazz

     

  2. Mambo

    Mambo Member

    643
    19
    18
    May 26, 2010
    Who the hell is brock sampson?

    And does his opinion matter?
     
  3. Archie Moses

    Archie Moses Well-Known Member

    11,032
    2,193
    268
    May 25, 2010
    No.

    /threazd.
     
  4. Jazzfannut83

    Jazzfannut83 Member Contributor

    251
    5
    18
    May 25, 2010
    Bleacherreport? Yawn. Again, bad timing...and to say the Jazz play without passion/heart is a load of crap. They lost to a better, more talented team. And the Lakers having a homecourt in Utah? The bandwagon Laker fans are everywhere, but when the Jazz win they're silent as a mouse.
     
  5. Mambo

    Mambo Member

    643
    19
    18
    May 26, 2010

    We finished that fast.

    Like my first sexual experience.
     
  6. The Fresh Prince

    The Fresh Prince Well-Known Member

    4,948
    452
    138
    May 26, 2010
    i kan doo teh mambo!
     
  7. Mambo

    Mambo Member

    643
    19
    18
    May 26, 2010

    Youre still here:(
     
  8. The Fresh Prince

    The Fresh Prince Well-Known Member

    4,948
    452
    138
    May 26, 2010
    Since 2003, homeslice.
     
  9. Mambo

    Mambo Member

    643
    19
    18
    May 26, 2010
    Dear god. Owell Ill tolerate it.
     
  10. The Fresh Prince

    The Fresh Prince Well-Known Member

    4,948
    452
    138
    May 26, 2010
    Advice my friend, advice.

    You might want to ease up on the spelling errors or the Harvard Academy of Jazzfanz (about 95 - 98% of this board) are going to start giving you the rhetorical semantic talk. I'm cool though, I talk like dis, dat, and teh otha. But most of kinfolk around here don't, and they try to make you burn for it.

    Keep ya chin up!
     
    Last edited: May 27, 2010
  11. Jazzfannut83

    Jazzfannut83 Member Contributor

    251
    5
    18
    May 25, 2010
    I posted a reply on there-a civil one albeit. Calling the Jazz players "heartless", ticks me off. Some guys may fall into that category, but when you call my entire team that you're gonna piss me off enough to warrant a reply, esp. given guys like Dwill, Millsap, and Matthews inparticular and its not fair to label the whole team as heartless simply because the Lakers are just a better team. I couldn't care less about the Sloan part of the article really, but my stance has always been that he is a victim of bad timing (or, was). Popovich often has credited Sloan, actually, for a lot of his philosophies. If you'd switched the two of them around, say, the year 2000, would Sloan have not won a single title there, facing watered down eastern conference champions? Cmon, man...really?
     
  12. JJ Rage

    JJ Rage Active Member

    956
    126
    43
    May 25, 2010
    Brock Sampson wrote this article? Isn't he the guy from Venture Brothers?


    [​IMG]
     
  13. PrinceJL

    PrinceJL Member

    595
    13
    18
    May 26, 2010
    (1) I love how the guy writes this artcle now, about a month we were eliminated. (2) Did this guy see the series we played against Denver, AFTER Game 1 (3) Every national tv commentator praises how the players play tough & physical, just like Coach. (4) I bet you that the only coaches, the Dalia Lama Jackson respects are Pop, Brown, & Sloan. (5) How many 2nd round picks or undrafted FAs do we have on our team? These guys don't make it in this league w/out "Heart" or "Passion" !!
     
  14. zman1527

    zman1527 Well-Known Member

    2,346
    127
    113
    May 26, 2010
    They guy is right, Sloan needs to go. His reason may not be correct, that the jazz play without enough heart, but Sloan should ride off into the sunset.

    The big issue is that he is not focused on winning a championship. He is out of date (3 point shooting and 3 point defense) and seems more interested in running a military school than a championship basketball team. To beat the Lakers this year, the Jazz needed to develop Fes, but no, he was "jackpotter" so no way.

    And the biggest issue of all: defense. His teams play pretty rotten defense, certainly not anywhere close to that played by the current 4 teams in the playoffs. This has been a constant for some time and cannot be blamed wholly on the players. And that despite it being a big point of emphasis this year and the addition of Matthews.
     
  15. Chad Feldheimer

    Chad Feldheimer Well-Known Member

    4,262
    446
    133
    May 26, 2010
    Not to really piss on Poppovich's parade but compare who the Spurs played in the NBA Finals with who the Jazz played in the Finals. NYK(Who's best player was a 36 year old Pat Ewing), NJ(Jason Kidd & Kenyon Martin RJ), DET(a handful of pretty good players)CLE(LeBron and the Nobodies). Seriously I think Popovich and Duncan had some of the weakest competition in the NBA Finals in a long time.

    Sloan played Jordan/Pippen and Jackson right in the middle of their dynasty. I don't think SA would have beat those Bulls teams either.
     
  16. zman1527

    zman1527 Well-Known Member

    2,346
    127
    113
    May 26, 2010
    Hey, you left out Magic, and Bird, and Isaiah, and Hakeem, and and and. Absolute total BS. If the NBA was so very weak in the years Pop got rings, why could not J-Slo do it those years? Huh? Did he only coach the team in 1997-98? Or did he have two of the best for about 20 years and fail totally?

    The excuse making for Sloan is just incredible. Look at the current Suns-Lakers series. Did Sloan make any of the adjustments that Gentry has to make his team more competitive? Or did ole Jer do the same ole things he has been doing for 20 years?
     
  17. //r00t 4 Jazz

    //r00t 4 Jazz Well-Known Member

    3,259
    301
    133
    May 26, 2010
    I think the main point of this thread was saying his team didn't play hard or with heart/hustle, there may be times they don't or some players that don't always but that is different.
    I have my issues with J-Slo but after 2000 it was pretty clear the Jazz were where the Spurs are currently just a bit too old to win it all, that is not making excuses just a simple face. IMO Houston's first championship was the Jazz's best chance and that I could realistically say you could start to look at Sloan.
     
  18. Chad Feldheimer

    Chad Feldheimer Well-Known Member

    4,262
    446
    133
    May 26, 2010
    Not really. How many teams are able to stay on the very top for more than 2 years? Most don't. Spurs won one Champions with Duncan & Robinson maybe 2 if Duncan didn't get hurt and have to miss that Suns series. After that Robison wasn't good enough anymore. They didn't win again until they had 2 more all star caliber guys Parker/Ginobli.

    What years did Sloan clearly have better players and didn't come through?
     
  19. PrinceJL

    PrinceJL Member

    595
    13
    18
    May 26, 2010
    Going to disagree, I think he has adapted to today's game. This team has not been a traditional halfcourt offense team & runs much more than in the S&M days. In the past he has been reluctant on 3 pt attempts (preferring efficient shots near the rim) but how many 3s have we seen the team jack up this post-season? Also, you have to give the coaches the benefit of doubt when developing players. Some players grasp the system & show signs of improvement (see Millsap & the emergence of Wesley being out startng 2 to start the year). Fes showed flashes of what he could be but these young kids have to learn how be professionals.
     
  20. Jazzfannut83

    Jazzfannut83 Member Contributor

    251
    5
    18
    May 25, 2010
    To echo what Chad said, and I've always believed this...timing is everything. Also, if Sloan had been coaching those Spurs teams, would he have won ZERO titles? Doubtful but yes, I know, ifs and buts are candy and nuts bla bla bla, and i'm not knocking Pop, he's a great coach but read up on his thoughts on Sloan, he often credits him for a lot of what he's learned for the better. Anyway, there are arguements that can be made obviously for firing him but accusing the team of being heartless isn't one of them. And hiring a new coach won't make our front line taller than the beheamoths L.A. has that tower over us.
     

Share This Page