John Stockton Claims He Had Proof of 1000 Athletes Dying of Vaccine

[fishonjazz]

Follow the science… Is this science true? It's the largest by far, to date.


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Or is this science “quackery” since it goes against what the media and the government have been saying?

Everyone on the side who didn't believe in masks will now run around using this study.

Maybe some people were right, including those on this forum about masks, even though the government and forum members pushed out a different message; including after someone took the vaccines or had natural immunity.


View: https://youtu.be/Xn3lwR7vonw


Shamming people or taking up violence against others who had a different viewpoint now or at the time:


View: https://youtu.be/N6HdbtBM730


Then you have the other side putting their beliefs over private business wishes and rules which results in more violence and problems.


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This is happening right now as well, when it comes to vaccines. People being shamed because they have hesitancy. People being talked down to because they are bringing up studies and reports which goes against the mainstream and government guidance and communication. Maybe we should all be better.

I never had a strong opinion on whether masks worked or not. I just wasn't all that triggered by wearing a mask so i wore one since it wasn't a big deal and couldn't hurt my chances of getting sick. It is weird that doctors and dentists wear them though.

 

[Bucknutz]

That depends upon how lazy you are. If you go to the footnotes, there are 8 scientific studies listed within the first 10 footnotes, and I stopped counting there. It's not like Wikipedia is some random message board. It's not reliable enough for genuine research papers, but I'm not in here to write research papers.

You don’t accept articles from certain sources and I don’t accept them from Wikipedia. I posted Wikipedia’s why it’s not a trusted source page.

I am shocked, just shocked, that Democratic politicians could be hypocritical. How will I ever recover?

Please explain to me why this has any bearing on the efficacy of masks.

It’s not. It’s about your smug response about your “duty”.

Did you really just say, "You can't use anything right wing on this forum or it's instantly discarded" immediately after using 5 right-wing sources that are still in your posts? Or, did you mean "discredited"? I assure you, if you quote Huffpost, Democratic Underground, Dr. Jill Stein, Aaron Rodgers, etc., I will equally discredit them.

Keep spinning why I posted those responses. It’s because you stated that the right will only spread the Zerohedge article and not the study. I presented that was not the case.
You will discredit all these sources but not Wikipedia that can be manipulated, inaccurate, not complete or misleading at any time. Gotcha.

I do.

When it comes from people on the right.

 

[One Brow]

You don’t accept articles from certain sources and I don’t accept them from Wikipedia. I posted Wikipedia’s why it’s not a trusted source page.

Because Wikipedia is just like Huffpost or Zerohedge. Sure.

It’s not. It’s about your smug response about your “duty”.

Why would politicians shirking their duties make it less of a duty?

Keep spinning why I posted those responses. It’s because you stated that the right will only spread the Zerohedge article and not the study. I presented that was not the case.

Fair enough. I should have said that the right will only spread the misleading take on the study exemplified by the Zerohedge article. My error.

You will discredit all these sources but not Wikipedia that can be manipulated, inaccurate, not complete or misleading at any time. Gotcha.

Wikipedia assigns knowledgeable editors to keep pages from descending into unreliable fictions, particularly when the topics are controversial. Zerohedge and Huffpost go out of their way to be misleading for clicks/outrage/etc. That difference is clear to me.

When it comes from people on the right.

I am human, and just as likely to take something more seriously when I agree with it as the next guy. Intellectually, I know that Ocasio-Cortez or Sanders aren't more bound by the facts than McCarthy or Cheney, but the heart wants what it wants. That said, you've never seen me rebutting the (typically left-wing) Jesus Mythicists or anarchists (although we do get the occasionally loony lefter here on the boards, and I try to dig into them with even greater vehemence).

 

[gandalfe]

Wikipedia assigns knowledgeable editors to keep pages from descending into unreliable fictions, particularly when the topics are controversial. Zerohedge and Huffpost go out of their way to be misleading for clicks/outrage/etc. That difference is clear to me.

I have said before, Wikipedia is not a primary source and should not be used as one. But it's a pretty good secondary source, or aggregator of primary sources.

 

[Douchebag K]

i don't know how it's such a contentious thing that whatever mask you can wear in a confined space at close contact will prob reduce your chances to transmit a respiratory virus to some degree, very slight for a ****** mask all the way up to a high degree for a fitted N95 mask. Same goes for picking up a virus in very confined spaces. Outside, absolutely useless. And children being forced to wear masks is freaking ridiculous.

 

[gandalfe]

i don't know how it's such a contentious thing that whatever mask you can wear in a confined space at close contact will prob reduce your chances to transmit a respiratory virus to some degree, very slight for a ****** mask all the way up to a high degree for a fitted N95 mask. Same goes for picking up a virus in very confined spaces. Outside, absolutely useless. And children being forced to wear masks is freaking ridiculous.

This isn't magic, folks. The chances of you getting a disease that's spread through the air is based on viral load. That is to say, how MUCH of it are you around, how LONG are you around it, and how LIKELY you are to ingest it.

How MUCH has to do with how many people you are around are spreading it - being sick/infectious obviously increases that, so does not wearing a mask, so does coughing/sneezing.
How LONG is pretty simple - how long are you around it? If I'm walking thru the grocery store to get bread, even if I pass by someone who is breathing hard and is sick, I'm probably not going to catch it, because I'm not in contact very long. The checker, however...
How LIKELY is the part that has long been unclear about masks, in this case. They generally don't protect you very much in that situation, as you can get it on your hands, maybe in your eyes, etc, etc.

(I know "viral load" usually refers to how much virus you personally have in your body, but I think the analogy is close enough that I'm keeping the term going.)

 

[Douchebag K]

This isn't magic, folks. The chances of you getting a disease that's spread through the air is based on viral load. That is to say, how MUCH of it are you around, how LONG are you around it, and how LIKELY you are to ingest it.

How MUCH has to do with how many people you are around are spreading it - being sick/infectious obviously increases that, so does not wearing a mask, so does coughing/sneezing.
How LONG is pretty simple - how long are you around it? If I'm walking thru the grocery store to get bread, even if I pass by someone who is breathing hard and is sick, I'm probably not going to catch it, because I'm not in contact very long. The checker, however...
How LIKELY is the part that has long been unclear about masks, in this case. They generally don't protect you very much in that situation, as you can get it on your hands, maybe in your eyes, etc, etc.

(I know "viral load" usually refers to how much virus you personally have in your body, but I think the analogy is close enough that I'm keeping the term going.)

Viral load would be a great name for a racehorse

 

[gandalfe]

Viral load would be a great name for a racehorse

Or a porn star.

 

[LogGrad98]

Viral load would be a great name for a racehorse

Or a punk band

 

[gandalfe]

Or a punk band

You know, that's usually where my mind goes, band names.

 

[fishonjazz]

Ya I mean takes a drag on a cigarette or joint then put on a mask and blow the smoke out. See how far it goes/spreads with the mask on vs the mask off.
Try same experiment with a sip of water.

Masks aren't perfect but I feel like they have to do something. They are a barrier/obstacle for anything entering or exiting your body. Seems like common sense to me. Don't really need a study or a scientist or a conspiracy theorist to tell me anything. I just use common sense.

To this day if I'm around sick people at work I will wear a mask (or if I'm the sick person). Really simple thing to do. Might as well do it. Less intrusive or cumbersome than a beard net by far

 

[The Thriller]

Ya I mean takes a drag on a cigarette or joint then put on a mask and blow the smoke out. See how far it goes/spreads with the mask on vs the mask off.
Try same experiment with a sip of water.

Masks aren't perfect but I feel like they have to do something. They are a barrier/obstacle for anything entering or exiting your body. Seems like common sense to me. Don't really need a study or a scientist or a conspiracy theorist to tell me anything. I just use common sense.

To this day if I'm around sick people at work I will wear a mask (or if I'm the sick person). Really simple thing to do. Might as well do it. Less intrusive or cumbersome than a beard net by far

Why though? Why would you willingly put yourself under the tyranny of doctors and scientists? I prefer to live free, no masks, no seat belts, etc. I don’t even cook my food anymore! I just eat it all raw! Let freedumb ring!