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Joseph Smith taught that the moon was inhabited by people that live to be 1000 years old?

Something I'm genuinely curious about:

How did people find "God" before monotheism existed? How do theologians account for this period before anyone believed in a single all powerful "God?"

Did all those ancient people go to hell?

This question/critique of religion strikes me as, in high profile, rejecting science and all human learning because some medieval scientists wre alchemists and mystic sorcerers.

How much of religion is useless or false has no validity towards rejecting anything in it that may be useful or true.

The smarter believers, like Henry E. Eyring, define their beliefs as the whole Venn diagram of truth and hope.
 
This question/critique of religion strikes me as, in high profile, rejecting science and all human learning because some medieval scientists wre alchemists and mystic sorcerers.

How much of religion is useless or false has no validity towards rejecting anything in it that may be useful or true.

The smarter believers, like Henry E. Eyring, define their beliefs as the whole Venn diagram of truth and hope.


I'm just genuinely curious how theologians account for the significant amount of human existence and the lesser yet still significant amount of time during human civilization when not a single person had any concept of a single all powerful God.

Sure, take it as a critique. Whatever. I just wonder if there is an official explanation.

The question has nothing to do with my own lack of belief in a mystical, omnipotent, creator being.

I just wonder if it is something the Bible addresses?

And while we're on that topic, is my understanding that monotheism began when Moses came down from Mt. Sinai correct?
 
And since I'm going down this path, apparently...

To say that a rejection of mystical origins of knowledge and understanding based on some not believing in the correct source of mystical knowledge and understanding is the same as rejecting knowledge gained through the scientific method is flat out false. First, I wasn't saying monotheism is proven wrong because polytheism was wrong, or that because all do not follow the same perfect faith that there is no true faith. So, apparently you misunderstood my question altogether. Hopefully someone else will get that I'm asking a technical question that in my mind is separate from any question of legitimacy.

If people want to claim that faith is this vaporous notion of truth and hope that's fine. Lets burn all the bibles, because the bible seems to make specific claims as to the nature and intent of one particular omnipotent creator of the universe.

You can't have it both ways.
 
I'm just genuinely curious how theologians account for the significant amount of human existence and the lesser yet still significant amount of time during human civilization when not a single person had any concept of a single all powerful God.

Sure, take it as a critique. Whatever. I just wonder if there is an official explanation.

As far as Mormonism goes, we believe that this existence continues into the hereafter (spirit world), and that people are given the opportunity of hearing (and accepting/rejecting) the gospel there.

The question has nothing to do with my own lack of belief in a mystical, omnipotent, creator being.

I just wonder if it is something the Bible addresses?

And while we're on that topic, is my understanding that monotheism began when Moses came down from Mt. Sinai correct?

Not according to the Bible--it goes back to Adam, there. I'm not sure about according to historians, though.
 
Not according to the Bible--it goes back to Adam, there. I'm not sure about according to historians, though.

I guess that's the confusing part for me. I mean, does it (or do theologians) reconcile what we know about human existence with what the bible says or is there an explanation for the period when polytheistic faith was dominant?

And a question on the side: Were there monotheistic faiths before Moses? Maybe not the main stream ones but any that are specifically known?
 
I guess that's the confusing part for me. I mean, does it (or do theologians) reconcile what we know about human existence with what the bible says or is there an explanation for the period when polytheistic faith was dominant?

And a question on the side: Were there monotheistic faiths before Moses? Maybe not the main stream ones but any that are specifically known?

According to the bible. polytheism and idol worshiped was going strong the second generation after Adam. It was so strong by the time of Noah that there was only one family in the entire world that wasn't a part of it. It got going again not very long after Noah rebooted the Earth's population. Idol worship and the such have always been the predominate faith outside of a small community of believers in God throughout almost of the entirety of the Bible. . .
 
According to the bible. polytheism and idol worshiped was going strong the second generation after Adam. It was so strong by the time of Noah that there was only one family in the entire world that wasn't a part of it. It got going again not very long after Noah rebooted the Earth's population. Idol worship and the such have always been the predominate faith outside of a small community of believers in God throughout almost of the entirety of the Bible. . .

Okay, so just to make this easy for me to understand in a general sense:

Adam----------->Noah---->Moses-->Jesus>Jesus->Mohamed->Joseph Smith
 
Okay, so just to make this easy for me to understand in a general sense:

Adam----------->Noah---->Moses-->Jesus>Jesus->Mohamed->Joseph Smith

OK, I'll use this as a starting point in dealing with your previous several posts, for clarity.

I "believe" in the Bible as a basis for theological opinions. It has survived as an accurate text across some incredible time spans because some folks take it seriously and try very hard to keep it consistent with the original or earliest known texts. Some folks spent or gave their lives to keep it sacred. The Latin Vulgate was the life work of one scholar who went to live in the Holy Land, Martin Luther helped with getting out a good German text, and several Englishmen including Tynsdale gave their lives to get an English text out so people could read it.

I also believe humans have been living on this planet at least fifty thousand years, and the story of Adam and Eve, and the lives and generations given in Genesis, are more or less old wives' tales, no better than the current issue of the Ensign magazine, because people with a mind to piety have gravitated towards popular beliefs or notions as "proof" of faith.

For example, the earliest Hebrew texts of the five books of Moses were produced during King Solomon's reign, at his insistence, from scraps of old texts. Solomon wanted a State Religion, and he sent his soldiers around the land to wreck the local temples and force everyone to go to his place in Jerusalem. Those texts should not be trusted any better for faithfulness to the original teachings of Moses than our present products coming out of the Church reflect the beliefs of Joseph Smith. Everybody has a point of view, and over a few hundred years everything can change.

So, anyway, personally I don't believe people who lived before will be treated unfairly by a "Just" God, and I don't think "God" is bound to respect our imperfect notions or traditions. The medieval notions of Hell have no mention in the Old Testament, and I don't trust the New Testament treatments of the notion either. Joseph Smith, and whoever wrote the Book of Mormon, attributed those notions as figures of speech portraying a mental anguish of regret and remorse for miss-spent lives when people realize their loss and the damage they've done to others in life.

I believe almost all direct "revelation" God has ever given Mankind has been subsequently twisted and turned, to the extent it would be a marvel of patience that He should venture to speak to us at all.

But the Biblical narrative still portrays a God that operates on just or virtuous principles in dealing with man, a "One God" as YHVH in the Old Testament from Adam onward. Some Christians made it out that Jesus was God somehow, although still the Messiah and somehow also the Son of God, and later generated the Trinity mystery to maintain a claim of monotheism. Only the Mormons ever came out with an inclusive theory on how the earliest references to "God" in the Bible are presented in the plural form in Hebrew, and clarified the teachings of Jesus that He is in fact not Jehovah, but the Adonai "Lord" referred to in Psalms 110:4, the OT text that was used by Paul in his epistle to the Hebrews. Mormons, however, found clarity uncomfortable and set James E. Talmadge up to bring Mormonism back to the confused notions of Christendom since Constantine's committee to make Jesus everything.

Anyway, confused living generates confused thinking. . . . so here we are.
 
Wonder what happened to babe. Anyone have his contact info? Wonder if he died, honestly.
 
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