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Las Vegas: Worst Mass Shooting in US History

Ron Mexico said:
I guess you guys could be right. I dont see much evidence of it happening though. Studies show that when guns get taken away or controlled mass killings go down. Why are these types of things that were happening in places like Australia not happening then? That argument gets used a lot yet I have not seen evidence of it where we do have case studies to look at.

Plus again even if bombs can be made to do as much damage they still take more time to plan and build which reduces the chance of them being used. If they are more deadly why arent people like this guy doing that instead? What is he going after guns? I guess maybe that is something we cant know.

Personally mass shootings get more coverage but they are less of an issue than other types of gun killings like homicide and the even bigger issue of gun deaths from suicide.
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All you need is a device that will propel items like nails or ball bearings at high speeds for say up to 100 feet. Bodies are soft.

To me this points less to guns, even those clearly magnify the damage, and more to do with there being some vile and terrible flaw in our society. Guns are not driving people to this. Sure it makes it easier but it is not the cause. What is driving Americans to do these horrible things? That needs to be addressed as well.

And I am not opposed to some level of gun control. I don't want just any weapon to be readily available. like an Uzi for example...
 
Stoked said:
I typed this once but my reply didn't post...

All you need is a device that will propel items like nails or ball bearings at high speeds for say up to 100 feet. Bodies are soft.

To me this points less to guns, even those clearly magnify the damage, and more to do with there being some vile and terrible flaw in our society. Guns are not driving people to this. Sure it makes it easier but it is not the cause. What is driving Americans to do these horrible things? That needs to be addressed as well.

And I am not opposed to some level of gun control. I don't want just any weapon to be readily available. like an Uzi for example...
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A go-go-go, work harder and longer, hyper competitive mentality. IMO.
 
Stoked said:
I typed this once but my reply didn't post...

All you need is a device that will propel items like nails or ball bearings at high speeds for say up to 100 feet. Bodies are soft.

To me this points less to guns, even those clearly magnify the damage, and more to do with there being some vile and terrible flaw in our society. Guns are not driving people to this. Sure it makes it easier but it is not the cause. What is driving Americans to do these horrible things? That needs to be addressed as well.

And I am not opposed to some level of gun control. I don't want just any weapon to be readily available. like an Uzi for example...
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Sure they are ways to hurt people besides guns. They can be effective I am not arguing that. My point is people are not using those types of devices with any frequency that is alarming even in countries that have gun control. In countries like Australia when gun control has gone into place these mass killings have gone down and none of these types of killings have gone up. The longer it takes to make something or plan something the less likely someone is to carry it out especially when it comes to killing another human. Guns are easier to get a hold of and easier to kill someone with. Even waiting to get a gun or having less access to your own gun prevents deaths.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Lol, How so? All of the points?
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The first. Your first acts like bombs are the only other means of terrorism and you are using it to imply a justification of your pre-determined stance rather than addressing what Log and I wrote. You then made the false claim that bombs are hard to come by. We learned that's not true from the Oklahoma city bombing. That was a prepared attack (seemingly) similar to this one. So was 9/11.

Your second point is problematic as well since we have some studies showing higher rates of terrorism in European countries with stricter gun control laws. The death toll rate looks to be lower though so your point in full is relevant.

On a side note, if you're really interested in the whole America has higher violence rates talking point then you should look into abstract statistics such as the amount of serial killers. We are on par with Canada, Europe, and Australia.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
A go-go-go, work harder and longer, hyper competitive mentality. IMO.
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I believe this btw. We are only meant to take so much stress. Obviously some of us can take more than others. But generally speaking it's why you see a lot child stars and young stud athletes flame out and become drug addicts. The pressure becomes too great and they can't handle the stress that comes with it. As adults, I find this to be true as well. Just in different ways.
 
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Ron Mexico said:
Sure they are ways to hurt people besides guns. They can be effective I am not arguing that. My point is people are not using those types of devices with any frequency that is alarming even in countries that have gun control. In countries like Australia when gun control has gone into place these mass killings have gone down and none of these types of killings have gone up. The longer it takes to make something or plan something the less likely someone is to carry it out especially when it comes to killing another human. Guns are easier to get a hold of and easier to kill someone with. Even waiting to get a gun or having less access to your own gun prevents deaths.
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I think we cannot ignore the societal impact. In some cultures it just isn't a thing to do this kind of thing. Copycatting is very common in crime, one crime breeds other similar crimes, especially high-profile crimes. Our society has bred the mass-killer. At this point it will be very tough to reverse it by just restricting what weapon they use. Look at the OK City bombing. Nut-jobs find a way. And we have bred a culture of nut-jobs.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I believe this btw. We are only meant to take so much stress. Obviously some of us can take more than others. But generally speaking it's why you see a lot child stars and young stud athletes flame out and become drug addicts. The pressure becomes too great and they can't handle the stress that comes with it. As adults, I find this to be true as well. Just in different ways.
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I think this plays into the societal influences I mentioned. In Germany for example (the other culture I know best, so yeah), the expectation is that everyone takes every day off they have coming to them. This meant while I was there I took 5 weeks off, and that on top of the mandated state and federally mandated days off (about a dozen total). And frankly you didn't see or hear about burn-out. Safety in the workplace wasn't even a point of discussion. No one worried about this kind of thing. Not to say violent acts didn't happen but they made sure people had time to decompress and I feel that has an impact. Again it is taking care of mental illness on some level, or heading it off. Reduce stress, improve quality of life, these kinds of things just don't come up.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I think we cannot ignore the societal impact. In some cultures it just isn't a thing to do this kind of thing. Copycatting is very common in crime, one crime breeds other similar crimes, especially high-profile crimes. Our society has bred the mass-killer. At this point it will be very tough to reverse it by just restricting what weapon they use. Look at the OK City bombing. Nut-jobs find a way. And we have bred a culture of nut-jobs.
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I agree that there are major societal problems that cannot be solved with simply banning something. That does not mean it cant be apart of the solution or it isnt something we should look at. I dont think simply banning types of guns or stricter control will solve all of it, but can help. Even if it doesnt stop all of these types of situations it could help some of them which is still well worth it.

Slowing things down has been shown to help.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I think this plays into the societal influences I mentioned. In Germany for example (the other culture I know best, so yeah), the expectation is that everyone takes every day off they have coming to them. This meant while I was there I took 5 weeks off, and that on top of the mandated state and federally mandated days off (about a dozen total). And frankly you didn't see or hear about burn-out. Safety in the workplace wasn't even a point of discussion. No one worried about this kind of thing. Not to say violent acts didn't happen but they made sure people had time to decompress and I feel that has an impact. Again it is taking care of mental illness on some level, or heading it off. Reduce stress, improve quality of life, these kinds of things just don't come up.
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Yep. In the good ol' U. S. of A., it's all about more and more.

Profits were up 7% last year. Good job? No, **** you. Now we want them to go up 8% this year. You want time off? **** you. We'll find someone who will work their *** off to have this job. The West Coast is starting to get it right but companies like many out there are few and far between.
 
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