Let’s try another angle: Biden vs TrumpISM


Red

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John Feffer: what will it take to defeat Trumpism?


“While Trump may be expendable, Trumpism -- which lies at the intersections of racial and sexual anxiety, hatred of government and the expert class, and opposition to cosmopolitan internationalism -- is not so easily rooted out. Drawing heavily on American traditions of Know-Nothing-ism, America-First-ism, and Goldwater Republicanism, Trump’s essential worldview will survive the 2020 election.”
 


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Not sure what I missed, so I guess I'll leave it.

At any point you could have added info to make what you were saying clear, but obviously being clear and having a conversation wasn't your point.
I don’t know what I could make more clear. You were responding with frustration with rare and responding to many issues that he didn’t address or imply. I was politely suggesting that perhaps what you were responding with wasn’t much connected to what was said. They’re fine points to make, just not necessarily specific to anything he said (or anything I said when you responded to me). That’s all.
 

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I don’t know what I could make more clear. You were responding with frustration with rare and responding to many issues that he didn’t address or imply. I was politely suggesting that perhaps what you were responding with wasn’t much connected to what was said. They’re fine points to make, just not necessarily specific to anything he said (or anything I said when you responded to me). That’s all.
Dude, I've made clear I'm not sure what you think I didn't respond to. Your post above could be a lot shorter if all you did was explain what I didn't respond to. But again, that's not what you're doing here. That's not the point of your "with all due respect" posts to me. You're involved in a conversation but you're not interested in having the conversation you started. So clearly your interest lies in something else that you're trying to be clever about by implying without having the guts to say.
 

idestroyedthetoilet

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Somehow there are a lot of undecided voters. And somehow there are a lot of people who don’t like Trump but are too pure to vote for Biden (if the problem is posed as a Biden-v-Trump proposition).

This election is clearly first-and-foremost a referendum on Trump. But what exactly does that mean? Have these undecideds and too-pure voters realized that a wave of first-time dem voters would send a strong signal not just against Trump the person, but against Trumpism?

I understand the desire to protest with your vote. But I also understand I have to work within the specific limitations of our two-party system when I try to communicate something with a protest vote. This year, the waters are too muddy to communicate clearly with a third-party vote; and, over and above all of those other protest, the biggest fish to fry—protest-style—is Trumpism.

Think Trumpism, not just Trump.

Trump was and is a protest vote.
 

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It is mindboggling to me that Democrats had 4 years to learn from their mistakes and still could not come up with decent candidate. Is Biden really the best they could find?
 

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It is mindboggling to me that Democrats had 4 years to learn from their mistakes and still could not come up with decent candidate. Is Biden really the best they could find?
What I'm seeing is that old man Trump can't say anything about old man Biden that can't be said about him x10. Biden actually cuts off many lanes of attack Trump might otherwise use. He can't really blow his dog whistle to rouse up the misogynists and racists against Biden.

Biden is uninspiring, but I think the DNC wanted him because there's no dirt to be had on him, no surprises and no way to invent stories about him that would be credible.
 

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