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babe said:
Anybody not finding an adoptive placement for a potential kid, send me a pm. maybe we can find a way.
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We should take care of the kids that are here first. I can't imagine there is a chance in hell that there are enough adoptive parents to cover the amount of unwanted newborns.
 
Hartsock said:
We should take care of the kids that are here first. I can't imagine there is a chance in hell that there are enough adoptive parents to cover the amount of unwanted newborns.
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I bet there are. Alot of potential parents simply do not meet soem requirement or another. Such as income.

Interesting nugget about me. I am adopted and in my immediate family (parents, brothers and sisters, neices/nephews)there have been 5 people adopted (including me) and 4 kids raised where we would adopt them but cannot for legal reasons. Without adoption my family would be terribly incomplete.
 
My grandpa worked for the city of Phoenix for 36 years as a trash collector and coworkers would often find dead babies.
 
One Brow said:
So, if my kidneys fail and your blood type is compatible, it's OK for me to hook myself into your bloodstream and for you to hook yourself into mine? Or, do you reject for some reason not connected to dependence or independence?

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Nope, I did not cause your kidney's to fail. If a woman doesn't want a child then abort it before the brain activity reaches the same brain activity of a living person. Don't let it become a person and then kill it.

Btw if you are someone that buys the dependent life argument it is contradictory to the problem of evil 'argument' against gods existence.
 
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Gameface said:
Here's an unpleasant story.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/04/us/pennsylvania-gosnell-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1
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From the link above. . . . .

A grand jury investigation determined that health and licensing officials had received repeated reports about Gosnell's practices for two decades, but had taken no action, Williams said.
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It's one thing to have laws on the books. . . . another to be willing to enforce them. . . . . \\\\or to be sensible about them\\\\. . . . .
there is a point where "another law" is not a solution. . . .and government is not really the answer to a problem.
 
Gameface said:
If the choice completely belongs to the pregnant woman how is it justified that the biological father is completely at her mercy?

If she decides to have and keep the child when the father doesn't want the child then he is obligated to pay child support.

If she decides to abort the child when the father wants the child then he simply doesn't get to have his child born.

So is this fair?
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Life is not fair. However, this is a false equivalence. Do you support that wages are garnishable to pay off debts? Would you support a law that put a person into indentured servitude to pay off debts? Assuming the answer to the first is "yes" and the second is "no", you are making a distinction between the level of legal auythority over a person's property and over their body. That same distinction applies here.
 
One Brow said:
Why does the method of the abortion make a difference?
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One main difference is the viability of the child outside the womb. (early term v. late term abortions) ALso partial birth abortions (IDX) are just that partial birth. In my opinion that is murder.
 
Gameface said:
I have an honest question. It's not really pro or anti abortion.

If the choice completely belongs to the pregnant woman how is it justified that the biological father is completely at her mercy?

If she decides to have and keep the child when the father doesn't want the child then he is obligated to pay child support.

If she decides to abort the child when the father wants the child then he simply doesn't get to have his child born.

So is this fair?

A woman can opt-out of motherhood if she wants to. A man cannot opt-out of fatherhood (financially) if the woman doesn't want him to.
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You know what? This should absolutely be taught in "sex ed" classes in school. It certainly wasn't in my school, though (in Maryland), and I bet the same is true for most schools. But the legal responsibility of the father to pay child support, and the amount of $$ that takes, is certainly something that kids need to know.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Nope, I did not cause your kidney's to fail.
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Btw if you are someone that buys the dependent life argument it is contradictory to the problem of evil 'argument' against gods existence.
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Many women welcome the implantation by the embryo, but no woman causes the embryo to implant.

I'm not sure what the "dependent life argument" is; I was just pointing out an inconsistency in your reasoning.
 
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