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My attitude towards both sides is also souring. Last night when watching football and talking about the lock out I realized that even if the owners get the numbers they want that wont change the broken system of competitive balance and Stern (and most of the owners) wont care if they get the numbers they want so they can cash in.
I gave up on them caring about the fan a long time ago so I conceded giving the fan concessions (like lowering prices etc....) but my eternal optimism hoped they hadn't given up on "sport" and that they wanted to have competitive balance/paritybut it all but died last night.
I mean look at the NFL going into the year who'd a ever dared to imagine the Lions, Bills and 9er's would be a top their divisions, heck I'd throw the Texans in there but that is not that big of surprise. In the NBA could or would that ever happen? Sadly we all know the answer to that isn't only no it's HECK NO.
I like hockey and loved going to the Golden Eagles as a kid (old Flames farm team) and as GVC said Hockey is increasing and improving more than the NBA. So it isn't just the NFL and only 1 game a week and a shorter season, the NHL has a very similar structure to the NBA arena size, season length and teams etc.. You know why they're on the up tick, not to make it personal and just blame Stern (even though I'd like to and he deserves it) a lot of it is COMPETITIVE balance and parity there is other things as well obviously that is player driven IMO but that is another subject, the owners and Stern can control the parity but sadly wont.
 
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... parity...

And the NBA could do things to spread parity to a degree, but it's much more difficult given the inordinate amount of impact an individual can make in the NBA.
 
I don't give a **** if they play or not. I would like to have the young players get the opportunity to work on their game with the coaches, but other than that, I've got other things to do. This isn't 1998-99 where I was envisioning a championship. I'll watch football, some college ball, and watch DVD's from Netflix/Quikster/Netflix.
 
Why is it no surprise that the D-Wade - Lebron arrogance/ignorance is shining through at full blast on the player's side of this lockout. Apparently they're (among) the ones demanding that Billy Hunter not give in at all ... the "we'll never give-in" sort of sentiment. It's a hard feeling to describe, but it's there. It's that same feeling you get watching Lebron and Wade walk into the NBA finals fake coughing, it's the same feeling you get after hearing Wade whine that "the Heat are losing, now the world can be happy", as if he's completely ignorant to the fact that they've literally brought every last drop of the hate upon themselves. The whole sense of entitlement. I don't know exactly how to describe the feeling, but its a sort of palpable sense that these guys give off. Now apparently its infiltrating the negotiations - never mind the fact that Wade and Lebron got their contracts back-loaded so they're not set to lose as much from missing a year anyway.

In my mind, from the Jazz's point of view, the more concessions that the owners can get the better off they are. I believe all fans should feel this way. Why do we want the leverage in the hands of the players, taking away flexibility from our front offices?
 
Lance-A-Million said:
never mind the fact that Wade and Lebron got their contracts back-loaded so they're not set to lose as much from missing a year anyway.
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Back-loaded? What, like 90+% of contracts in the league, then? Those cunning fiends. And they're not set to lose much from missing a year? In what universe is $15 million lost - never to be regained - 'not much'?

Lance-A-Million said:
In my mind, from the Jazz's point of view, the more concessions that the owners can get the better off they are. I believe all fans should feel this way.
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So you're saying the more concessions the Jazz owners can get, the better off the Jazz organization is? Revolutionary.

Lance-A-Million said:
Why do we want the leverage in the hands of the players, taking away flexibility from our front offices?
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I thought the narrative here was that there need to be more restrictions in place so that there could be more parity.



Anyway, I'm torn. All I want is my basketball. Ultimately, whether players are greater or lesser millionaires doesn't matter that much to me. But people have to understand it's their right and their duty to fight for every penny because that's exactly what the owners are doing. And the players (generally) understand that they wouldn't be getting the share they've been getting if not for the efforts of those that came before them and that they owe it to those down the line. Yes, the players are holding their ground and that could be preventing a season, but let's not forget that the owners locked the players out to begin with and that they will absolutely be coming away better off for it.

No matter how you slice it, people are ****ing annoyed that a bunch of millionaires can't figure out how to split $4 billion amongst themselves. As they should.
 
GVC said:
Because revenue has been growing so much in the NHL since their lockout, players will now receive 57% (players' revenue share is on a sliding scale dependent on total revenue...a policy way too sensible for the NBA). NBA players won't be getting anything near that. I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

Just so we all understand how the NHL will destroy the NBA if there's an extended lockout, here are the annual salary cap numbers in the NHL since the lockout:
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The NHL is booming- 9% growth per year in the NHL salary cap, even with the recession, as opposed to 3% growth per year since 05/06 in the NBA salary cap- and if the NBA goes away, they'll swoop in and get some half decent TV deals, leaving the NBA out in the cold. The owners certainly dragged their feet far too long on this thing, but I'm surprised the players aren't willing to get this thing finalized now(especially since it's only going to be a 6-year deal).

The arrogant ignorance about the NHL on this site is quite a head-scratcher. Overall, the NHL product has been fantastic since the lockout, and fans are responding (IIRC, attendance numbers are better in the NHL than in the NBA...not that that's saying much).
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I think what the point he's making is that in the year prior to the NHL lockout, players were taking 76% of gross revenues (Wikipedia). Now, after years of growth, they are finally at 57%. Pre-lockout the NHL players were taking home an average of $1,830,126 per year, and only $1,460,000 after (https://www.andrewsstarspage.com/index.php/site/comments/average_nhl_player_salary_since_1990_91/105-2008-09) Are we not all in agreement that this was a MAJOR concession by the NHL players and definitely one they wish they had made sooner, rather than missing a season?

That said, good find on this chart. Are you saying that the NHL lockout was a good thing for both the NHL and it's players? If the NHL salary cap and revenues have increased this drastically after sitting out a year, is that essentially what the NBA is trying to replicate? Additionally, what is driving the NHL's increased revenue? Competitive balance?
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Additionally, what is driving the NHL's increased revenue? Competitive balance?
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That's probably part of it. I like to think the biggest reason for their growth is an improving NHL product and deteriorating NBA product (since both leagues are active at the same time). The NBA has been pandering to casual fans for a longtime, often alienating hardcore fans. The opposite is true of the NHL, and you can see the difference in the arenas...That sort of experience is alluring.
 
.....Dutch had the best solution to this lockout, in my humble opinion. Sterns, in the next meeting with the punks, tells them you have one week to sign at 50-50 revenue sharing. Each month after that, it goes down another percentage point....until you guys sign or find work at McDonald's! Heck, I think Dutch said it should go down a point every week! Players can't start there own league...but owners can make money in other forms of business endeavors. And they won't have to work at Sonic's or Wendy's to do it! (I guess out West they have "Jack in the Box" right?)
 
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