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Siro said:
Nietzsche is probably the most well known and most quoted modern philosopher. And yet, very few actually understand what he's about. I want to discuss a couple of common misconcenptions.
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Have you read the blog Camels with Hammers? Fincke is a big Nietzsche fan, and I think he has been trying to meld that with Aristotle's hylomorphism.

It's deeper than I usually wade.
 
There's something that bugs me about the way liberals approach social subjects. They often take on a tone of "these are facts and if you don't acquiesce then you're a bad person". I guess that's because these are issues that touch people's lives directly, and thus people are prone to get emotional about them. But that's not how science works. Specially not a soft science like sociology, where the data can be interpreted in a plethora of ways, within the vast context of human social existence. There are many theories about the history and nature of society's problems, and even more about possible solutions. Just because a set of ideas are en vogue in academia doesn't make them unquestionable, and it doesn't make those questioning them necessarily ignorant or stupid.

There will come a time when people will look at us and mockingly say "that's what they believed?!", while being totally sure of THEIR version of reality.

I think we should show some humility.
 
Siro said:
"these are facts and if you don't acquiesce then you're a bad person"
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For me, its "these are the experiences that people endure and if you don't stop participating then you're helping make the world a worse place for them".
 
One Brow said:
For me, its "these are the experiences that people endure and if you don't stop participating then you're helping make the world a worse place for them".
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People's experiences differ. You're referring to statistic on people's experiences. Additionally, people's perceptions are filtered through cultural norms and the ideological landscape.
 
Siro said:
People's experiences differ. You're referring to statistic on people's experiences. Additionally, people's perceptions are filtered through cultural norms and the ideological landscape.
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People's experiences differ, but there are commonalities to them as well. Ignoring the commonalities to emphasize the differences does not lead to truth.
 
I hadn't thought about Crime and Punishment in a long time, but it made me reflect about the time I read it, and I also was reading Nietzsche then. I seem to recall that Dostoevsky was influenced by Nietzsche and that Raskolnikov sought redemption by confessing to the murder, elevating him to being like God. Nietzsche did say God is man; man is God, that we elevate ourselves by using our free will and taking responsibility for our actions. Yes, Nietzsche was an atheist, an existentialist but believed we create our own meaning and morality in our lives, and that's what led Raskolnikov to confess.
 
babe said:
I really need to read some more, I have forgotten a lot..... but this is definitely an informed view by a person who has read Crime and Punishment and some Nietzche.

I remember debating this Man-God/God-Man topic in class. Probably only Mormons would really be able to put it in a scriptural perspective. Most Christians see God as an Absolute sovereign who can do magic. Mormons humanized God in saying God is of our species, having transcended a mortal world experience like our own..... while at the same time deifying Man in potential by saying we can become like God is..... by following true principles.

When anti-Mormons condemned Mormons saying they would all go to Hell, Brigham Young said so what.... "When we get there we'll run the Devil out and irrigate the place, and make it a garden.

I have theorized that early philosophers like Hegel must have listened to Mormon missionaries on some corner soap box talking about the United Order and Zion in the American wilderness. Well, the Puritans were Christian collectivists, as were the early persecuted Christians who had to take care of one another somehow, digging tunnels under Rome where they be safe and such....

I have theorized that the whole Progressive movement is a plan derived from Mormon society with emphasis on collective economics and ideological conformity in the community. A sort of political plan to turn the devil outta the earth and make it a pristine wilderness if not a garden...… unfortunately, in some people's heads, there is little room in utopia for the humans..... lol.

all in all, Mormons are probably of all religions the most inclined to central planning and authoritarian top-down community. There is some grist here for understanding a Mitt Romney.....

Nietzche could also be claimed by some self-reliant non-ideological off-the-grid Americans as well...… he clearly saw the primal instinct for self-preservation or right to life as a fundamental necessary value...…. yah.... the progressives with all their managers might not like everything he said.

Mormons might see those folks as antisocial or unrepentant selfish sinners for their refusal to be rounded up and branded by authorities, just as Hillary calls them "deplorables", but I think we will always need some kind of frontier where we can go to start life anew on our own terms.

Who want's to plan a moon colony? I'm working on extreme water conservation methods and efficient reduction of CO2 back to C and O2.

Not too sure whether we will have to drive the devil out, or just some space based operatives from the Pleiades.
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Don’t you know that the Earth is flat and that the moon is an illusion because we live under a dome?
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I hadn't thought about Crime and Punishment in a long time, but it made me reflect about the time I read it, and I also was reading Nietzsche then. I seem to recall that Dostoevsky was influenced by Nietzsche and that Raskolnikov sought redemption by confessing to the murder, elevating him to being like God. Nietzsche did say God is man; man is God, that we elevate ourselves by using our free will and taking responsibility for our actions. Yes, Nietzsche was an atheist, an existentialist but believed we create our own meaning and morality in our lives, and that's what led Raskolnikov to confess.
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I don't think it's accurate to call Nietzsche an atheist. Leave that term for the empiricists.

Nietzsche didn't say "God is dead. We killed him" just to be cheeky. He doesn't just employ this sentiment when speaking about the abrahamic God. In The Birth of Tragedy he speaks about Apollo and Dionysus not as mythological tales but as historical figures that had a very real legacy to be examined.

I think that calling Nietzsche an atheist is totally missing the point. It is what for Nietzsche would be a perfectly predictable misunderstanding of his work coming from a person living/thinking in an empirical age.
 
This is going to be a random question. Does anyone believe in astral projection and or have had experience doing it? I don't, but I know a few people who are very adamant they have. I like listening to astral projection beats or waves on YouTube and the comment sections are crazy.

Lastly, have any of you heard of homunculus? There's a Russian alchemist that supposedly created creatures using human seamen and a chicken egg. I do not believe this is possible, but watching the videos at 3 AM on YouTube is interesting af.




Hehepeepeecaca
 
Archie Moses said:
This is going to be a random question. Does anyone believe in astral projection and or have had experience doing it? I don't, but I know a few people who are very adamant they have. I like listening to astral projection beats or waves on YouTube and the comment sections are crazy.

Lastly, have any of you heard of homunculus? There's a Russian alchemist that supposedly created creatures using human seamen and a chicken egg. I do not believe this is possible, but watching the videos at 3 AM on YouTube is interesting af.




Hehepeepeecaca
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lol
 
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