fight fight fight!!!
Mormons and Gays.
- Thread starter Beantown
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fight fight fight!!!
Ha, ok. I thought you were LDS. My bad, i apologize.
Still, this issue isn't limited to homosexuals. Race, sex, weight, age, status, etc. are all used to call out people who don't like others, and are used that way all the time. Being called a homophobe for not liking someone who is gay is not limited to gay people. It happeds to everyone, everyday, all the time. Complaining about it just makes you look whiney, besides if it's not true why do give such a huge **** about it?
JGolds
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Relax UGLI... ur thread is great, but at the time a completed the offical game thread your didnt look like a game thread yet.
NAOS
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it is three times the length of what you consider to be a worthwhile thread.
I am LDS (kind of). That arguement is no more valid than the one you are fighting against. You want to debase and generalize about a demographic while fighting that being done to another demographic. However no I do not see a gay man and think "sinner". I have enough of my own problems to deal with to worry about his.
As for your mention of racist, age, weight...that is why we have included several of those terms through out the thread.
As for the complaining part. If you do not think that gays are sinners then why complain about it if you do not believe it to be true?
Me having a problem with being called a homophobe by someone that does not have the intellectual honesty or capacity to realise the true issue is nonsense and I won't stand for it. (Not singling you out in any way, general statement).
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. " - Edmund Burke
Yes that is an over dramatic quote for this topic but you see the point. Gay marriage, and full equal rights, should be immediately passed. However the attacking of any disagreement with the gay agenda or its members needs to stop as well. Two wrongs do not make a right.
It is also simply a pet peeve of mine. All this political correctness is a sham and a blight upon America. It actively prevents real issues from being discussed in a way that might actually get some results.
Just for the record Pete, I'm LDS, and I have no problem with gay marriage (I certainly don't consider my self the standard, tho...)
I completely agree.
Silly me. I thought the goal was communicaiton, not pontification.
This thread has run its course, and nobody probably cares, but this is my perspective on GM, in a nutshell:
The problem is two-pronged.
1. Rights, privileges, and benefits extended to married couples. If there is inequity in any of these from heterosexual couples to homosexual couples, then one is not being treated equally, as the constitution guarantees. That's a problem. This would really be an easy fix, if it were the only issue. Make every "marriage", in the eyes of the gov't, a domestic partnership and extend the same rights to everyone. But, that isn't the only issue.
2. Essentially, one group is telling another group that the latter must abide by the former's beliefs. Admittedly, I used to think, "Why all the fuss over a title? Give a recognized domestic partnership the same rights as a marriage and everyone stop whining." I have since reconsidered my position. Being told that you can't have or be something that someone else can, because you're different by standards that are not your own, is irrational.
That's pretty much it.
The problem is two-pronged.
1. Rights, privileges, and benefits extended to married couples. If there is inequity in any of these from heterosexual couples to homosexual couples, then one is not being treated equally, as the constitution guarantees. That's a problem. This would really be an easy fix, if it were the only issue. Make every "marriage", in the eyes of the gov't, a domestic partnership and extend the same rights to everyone. But, that isn't the only issue.
2. Essentially, one group is telling another group that the latter must abide by the former's beliefs. Admittedly, I used to think, "Why all the fuss over a title? Give a recognized domestic partnership the same rights as a marriage and everyone stop whining." I have since reconsidered my position. Being told that you can't have or be something that someone else can, because you're different by standards that are not your own, is irrational.
That's pretty much it.
spycam1
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Fixed.
It is. But your attempt to place everything into "laywer speak" if you will is no more useful than "pontification".
Most people on this site are LDS. I have no issue with members of the LDS Church, I just think the stance it takes on homosexuality, and women, is unfortunate to put it lightly.
I hope my opinions on this subject are not a reflection of my opinions of individuals, but the LDS Church's doctrine and nothing more.
spycam1
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If you had to sum up why the LDS Church considers homosexuality a sin, what would you say?
I understand where you're coming from. I just wanted you to know that not all of us are anti gay marriage.
agree with this
the complications I see, and I'm not sure exactly what I think, other than the rights should be equally extended to all, are these (from real examples of folks I know)
a neighbor's wife passed away, leaving him to raise 4 young children. her sister (his sister-in-law) moved in to the home to take care of the kids, and run the household and essentially be the domestic partner (exept that they did not have an intimate relationship) - this situation went on for about 4 years until the sister married her boyfriend (at that point the kids were all in school full time and the dad hired an after-school nanny) Because they each filed individual tax returns, they paid considerably more than they would have paid if they had been able to file a joint return.
an elderly widowed lady moves in with her elderly bachelor brother, after 12 years he passes away leaving his entire estate to his sister and her kids - - she paid relatively high estate taxes because she was not able to take advantage of the estate tax exclusion that a married couple would have taken
It seems to me that it would only be fair for the folks in situations such as these to have the same rights, privileges and benefits as anyone else - - I don't think it should have to depend on what sort of intimate relations you may or may not be having
Archie Moses
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Would you rather the church change their doctrine to comply with your beliefs?
Archie Moses
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You're a cool guy, but whenever there is a thread about mormons, you're a whinny bitch. With that said, I still like you cause you give me 5 bucks once.