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Siro said:
LOL. Yeah, saying Trump is a racist is exactly as ridiculous as saying Hillary is the creator of ISIS. Cool story.
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Haha obviously not as drastic in nature, but when people are talking about Trump being racist they aren't saying that he is irked by a black man marrying a white woman type of racism, they are usually using it when implying that it will fundamentally define how he leads the country, and his racism will be dangerous for minorities. That is where I think people look foolish.
 
UGLI baby said:
People spouting that Trump is racist, or the next Hitler look just as silly as people saying Hillary for prison, or Hillary created ISIS.

You've bought the hype and someone else's agenda. The truth is more in the middle for each candidate. Both candidates are flawed, but neither one is evil incarnate like some from each side want you to believe.

Also Gameface, being really angry and hostile about your opinions doesn't make them stronger, it makes you more blind to seeing truth and nuance when presented with facts. I'm sorry to have gotten you worked up, I like you and have tried to stay away from making posts directed at you. You seem to have become very militant about anyone with an opinion that contradicts yours. I think you have great thoughts and a good heart, but should worry less about people that think differently than you.
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I'm very much looking forward to this election being over. Either way. Life goes on.

Yeah, I'm surprising myself how worked up I'm allowing myself to get over this. I honestly just never imagined a champion of white nationalism would be a legit Presidential candidate and I'm angry about that.

I've said many times I'm not a rational participant in these discussions. I'm not joking about that. I'm using these threads to vent my frustration. This is the only place I'm saying anything about this election. So I'm being a dick, I get it. If I had any illusions about changing anyone's opinion about this election I'd take a different approach, but I know that's not a realistic opportunity so I'm just lashing out. Yeah, childish, whatever.

I'll be happy when it's over.
 
UGLI baby said:
Haha obviously not as drastic in nature, but when people are talking about Trump being racist they aren't saying that he is irked by a black man marrying a white woman type of racism, they are usually using it when implying that it will fundamentally define how he leads the country, and his racism will be dangerous for minorities. That is where I think people look foolish.
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He won't lead the country that way for two reasons. One, we have checks and balances in our system, so there is only so much Trump can do. Second, Trump is basically a high school cheerleader. All he wants is to be popular, so he's going to have to pander to non-whites. So yeah, I don't think Trump would be Hitler, because Hitler would do poorly in the US political system.

Fact remains, Trump has said many MANY racist things, and he has a history of racial discrimination that goes back decades (and that made it to court). Clinton was probably wrong about calling half of his supporters a "basket of deplorables", but her thesis is essentially correct. A lot of Trump's supporters LIKE that he is racist, and share his racist views. It might not be entirely Trump's fault that white nationalist are all rallying behind him, but it is not a coincidence either.
 
Siro said:
He won't lead the country that way for two reasons. One, we have checks and balances in our system, so there is only so much Trump can do. Second, Trump is basically a high school cheerleader. All he wants is to be popular, so he's going to have to pander to non-whites. So yeah, I don't think Trump would be Hitler, because Hitler would do poorly in the US political system.

Fact remains, Trump has said many MANY racist things, and he has a history of racial discrimination that goes back decades (and that made it to court). Clinton was probably wrong about calling half of his supporters a "basket of deplorables", but her thesis is essentially correct. A lot of Trump's supporters LIKE that he is racist, and share his racist views. It might not be entirely Trump's fault that white nationalist are all rallying behind him, but it is not a coincidence either.
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Makes sense.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not a racist. Like if you could put him on truth serum he does not hate minorities. I realize their are more variations of racism than just hating minorities, but that sums up my basic opinion.

My main point with that post though was that I don't like the thought being sold by each side that the world is going to end if the other candidate wins. I get that both candidates are really flawed, but I reject the doomsday stuff.
 
UGLI baby said:
Makes sense.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not a racist. Like if you could put him on truth serum he does not hate minorities. I realize their are more variations of racism than just hating minorities, but that sums up my basic opinion.

My main point with that post though was that I don't like the thought being sold by each side that the world is going to end if the other candidate wins. I get that both candidates are really flawed, but I reject the doomsday stuff.
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I understand, and I agree to some extent. Trump would not be the end of the world, but he would be an inexperienced ignoramus of a president who I would be embarrassed to have represent me to the rest of the world. I don't mind Clinton's "more of the same" (life is relatively good in the US), and I have no problem with having a prudent and experienced politician represent the country.
 
Siro said:
I can't stand that know-it-all College Humor guy. He's about as funny as a colonoscopy.
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Whatever. He points out some interesting stuff about partisan politics. Worth watching.
 
UGLI baby said:
Makes sense.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not a racist. Like if you could put him on truth serum he does not hate minorities. I realize their are more variations of racism than just hating minorities, but that sums up my basic opinion.

My main point with that post though was that I don't like the thought being sold by each side that the world is going to end if the other candidate wins. I get that both candidates are really flawed, but I reject the doomsday stuff.
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1) Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. Despite this fact, the method of "I FEEL this way about the politicians" is dangerously flawed. Like in anything, EVIDENCE and ACTIONS matter. Speculating about the REAL candidate dismisses anything a candidate has said or done. I think Clinton really finds Trump attractive. If you could give her a serum, she would really find Trump irresistibly attractive. That's fantastic for me, but for anyone who is making a rational decision, we might want to look a facts.

2) Once again, anyone can predict how bad or exactly what the ramifications will be from either candidate. It's a person’s right. Truth is we have no idea. What we can do is analyze what a person has said and done and then compare these actions and words to dozens of historical figures who share the exact actions and expression. After this, we can analyze how these people affected the government and rise/fall of their respective civilization.

This is a much more reliable method than relying on tinkles in our genitals or our gut feelings. Just take a look at all these fools who had no problem expressing their opinions about George Hill without any doubt at all. A few months later, their opinions, based off of their feelings, were shown to be absolute trash. That's why they're scratching themselves on the couch and Dennis Lindsay is calling the shots. Problem is, the ball scratchers are calling the shots in this presidential race.
 
Also I really hope that one day we move beyond this presidency thing. I would really like for an alternative to be added to the ballot. I would definitely vote to restructure our government and do away with the presidency.
 
I'm taking the "half full" approach with this election. I dislike both major candidates so extremely that regardless of who wins, I'm going to be ecstatic that the other person lost.
 
Example measure: We separate the role of Commander in Chief from the presidency. We set up a 3 person command council voted on by the public. The council would assume the presidents role in contrroling the military and the state dept. Each member will have a term of six years and a new member will be voted on every 2 years. For the final 2 years of a term that person would be CIC and the US figurehead dealing with foreign relations but would require consent from the other 2 members of the council for certain actions. Most actions could be decided by a majority(2 of 3) with unanimous approval needed for things like a nuclear strike. The command council would have no role in domestic policy.
 
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