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Dr. Jones said:
I did walk into a high-end clothing boutique and had the sales "lady" say, "I should take off your hat and throw it in the trash."

I replied, "why? Today a good day to get your *** canned.?"

Bitch shut up.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzz...
 
You are so jelly all the time.
It's gotten even worse since your wifey began showing no interest in you.

Welp, plane's about to take off. Gottaget.
 
Gameface said:
I "claim"?

I frequently ask questions. Believe it or not I'm actually looking for an answer. My questions are almost never rhetorical. You seem to always treat them that way.

If I wonder if people's issue with Hillary is partly due to her gender that's because I'm honestly confused why people dislike her so much when I look at her and see a run of the mill politician. I ask because that's the only thing I can see that sets her apart from Harry Reid or Orrin Hatch.

When people talk about Obama like he's an evil dictator I scratch my head. This is the president that brought our troops home from Iraq (as a vet I consider that the most pro-military thing a president has done in my lifetime) and opened up Cuba and come to terms with Iran. I love those things. I love that he did those things. But then I hear people talk about those things like Obama is weak and unAmerican. And I know there's the ra-ra-ra my party is better than your party BS, but I feel it has gone further with Obama, and I wonder why.

Anyway, please point me towards posts where I clearly respond to substance with "you're racist" or "you're sexist." And pay attention, this is not a rhetorical question, do you actually think that's what I do? I promise you that if you find a legit example I will own up to it in full. If you can't, well you can decide what you want to do with that.
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Interesting. I obviously didn't read your statements as questions, but if you say that's what they were I believe you. My bad.

What I know of Hillary is so much worse than what I know of Orin or Harry. Maybe you are aware of a lot more ethical issues than I am for the latter two. With Hillary it goes on and on. We've discussed the emails for one. The server seems to have been set up to circumvent disclosure laws. I am not okay with that. You've said that the issue doesn't even matter to you. IMO if her last name wasn't Clinton there is no way she'd still be in this race with the baggage she's hauling. That has nothing to do with her sex.

My opinion of Obama is also much different from yours. I think most of us agree that the war was a mistake, but rectifying that by giving up our position and pulling the troops out on a timetable broadcast to the enemy created ISIS. Obama underestimated this threat from day one. In the process we abandoned a massive amount of arms that ISIS simply took over. As a result of all of this, we are not really out at all, and there's a high likelihood we'll have no choice but to increase our presence in the short term. The Iran thing is another area where we completely disagree. I haven't read the document but I've read a lot of opinion on it. It appears to be a horrible deal. Even among those who are for it they acknowledge that our rights to inspect are severely limited. What do you think it accomplished? Many analysts believe that Iran can and will build a bomb while this deal is in place. This has nothing at all to do with the color of the president's skin.
 
Stoked said:
I think part of her problem is her last name tbh.
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Well, most of her problem is being "Tracy" in "Election"

hmmm....

ambition unbridled is like beauty with no clothers. Her sense of entitlement is boundless, not even as boundless as . . . . well. . . . most "progressive" ideologues whose plans for the world are actually feudalistic fantasies dredged up from the dark ages. Amazing what unrealistic self-appraisals do for sociopaths.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Interesting. I obviously didn't read your statements as questions, but if you say that's what they were I believe you. My bad.

What I know of Hillary is so much worse than what I know of Orin or Harry. Maybe you are aware of a lot more ethical issues than I am for the latter two. With Hillary it goes on and on. We've discussed the emails for one. The server seems to have been set up to circumvent disclosure laws. I am not okay with that. You've said that the issue doesn't even matter to you. IMO if her last name wasn't Clinton there is no way she'd still be in this race with the baggage she's hauling. That has nothing to do with her sex.

My opinion of Obama is also much different from yours. I think most of us agree that the war was a mistake, but rectifying that by giving up our position and pulling the troops out on a timetable broadcast to the enemy created ISIS. Obama underestimated this threat from day one. In the process we abandoned a massive amount of arms that ISIS simply took over. As a result of all of this, we are not really out at all, and there's a high likelihood we'll have no choice but to increase our presence in the short term. The Iran thing is another area where we completely disagree. I haven't read the document but I've read a lot of opinion on it. It appears to be a horrible deal. Even among those who are for it they acknowledge that our rights to inspect are severely limited. What do you think it accomplished? Many analysts believe that Iran can and will build a bomb while this deal is in place. This has nothing at all to do with the color of the president's skin.
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Or, I'm just gunna throw this out there, decades of supporting a kingdom that exports and finances extremism, invading Iraq and within weeks disenfranchising the entire sunni arab population, Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki furthering that disenfranchisement by expanding the arrests and torture of sunni young men and politicians that was started by the bush administration, and the decision by an alawite dictator to barrel bomb its sunni population...etc created ISIS.
 
♪alt13 said:
Or, I'm just gunna throw this out there, decades of supporting a kingdom that exports and finances extremism, invading Iraq and within weeks disenfranchising the entire sunni arab population, Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki furthering that disenfranchisement by expanding the arrests and torture of sunni young men and politicians that was started by the bush administration, and the decision by an alawite dictator to barrel bomb its sunni population...etc created ISIS.
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I agree that the elements and culture that led to ISIS existed pre-Obama, but there are many who feel that his handling of the withdrawal played a significant role in the emergence of ISIS.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/06/13/iraq-falls-apart-to-isis-after-obama-withdrawal
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I agree that the elements and culture that led to ISIS existed pre-Obama, but there are many who feel that his handling of the withdrawal played a significant role in the emergence of ISIS.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/06/13/iraq-falls-apart-to-isis-after-obama-withdrawal
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pro-tip: few will take your rebuttals seriously if you post links to articles written by ppl hailing from "The American Enterprise Institute".

Also, I'd enjoy to hear your definition of "many". Who is many?
 
dalamon said:
pro-tip: few will take your rebuttals seriously if you post links to articles written by ppl hailing from "The American Enterprise Institute".

Also, I'd enjoy to hear your definition of "many". Who is many?
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You are only interested in sources with a left wing bias. Shocker!
 
dalamon said:
pro-tip: few will take your rebuttals seriously if you post links to articles written by ppl hailing from "The American Enterprise Institute".

Also, I'd enjoy to hear your definition of "many". Who is many?
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Do you think it's simply a coincidence that ISIS emerged concurrent with our withdrawal?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Do you think it's simply a coincidence that ISIS emerged concurrent with our withdrawal?
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I was hearing so many people, many on the right, who said we need to get out of there and let those bleepity-bleepers kill each other.

Thanks Obama!
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I agree that the elements and culture that led to ISIS existed pre-Obama, but there are many who feel that his handling of the withdrawal played a significant role in the emergence of ISIS.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/06/13/iraq-falls-apart-to-isis-after-obama-withdrawal
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Our overbearing military interventions in the middle east have served to create a space for extremist groups and made both the US and the region less secure. I'm glad that Obama decided to begin to break that cycle. My support for that line of thinking is part of the reason why I will be voting for these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0vL--nazHk
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I agree that the elements and culture that led to ISIS existed pre-Obama, but there are many who feel that his handling of the withdrawal played a significant role in the emergence of ISIS.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/06/13/iraq-falls-apart-to-isis-after-obama-withdrawal
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Our overbearing military interventions in the middle east have served to create a space for extremist groups and made both the US and the region less secure. I'm glad that Obama decided to begin to break that cycle. My support for that line of thinking is part of the reason why I will be voting for these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0vL--nazHk
 
Gameface said:
I was hearing so many people, many on the right, who said we need to get out of there and let those bleepity-bleepers kill each other.

Thanks Obama!
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I'm sure you'll have no problem finding articles and video backing up your claim that right wingers were saying this, then. I'll wait.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I'm sure you'll have no problem finding articles and video backing up your claim that right wingers were saying this, then. I'll wait.
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I think he is talking about general members of the pubic. It is something that I have also heard from numerous right leaning people.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I'm sure you'll have no problem finding articles and video backing up your claim that right wingers were saying this, then. I'll wait.
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Yeah, what Stoked said, it's a sentiment I've heard frequently from all sort of people. They don't want us involved and don't really care what happens in that region.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I agree that the elements and culture that led to ISIS existed pre-Obama, but there are many who feel that his handling of the withdrawal played a significant role in the emergence of ISIS.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/06/13/iraq-falls-apart-to-isis-after-obama-withdrawal
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The video at this link offers some history behind the rise of Isis. Certainly leaving so much armament behind in Iraq was one heck of a gift, but the fact seems to be that we've created many of the enemies whom we've later attacked.

https://truthinmedia.com/truth-in-media-the-origin-of-isis/

Edit: something else that may not be as well known as perhaps it should be is how many ISIS leaders are former officers in Saddam Hussein's army, and the Baathist Party. We probably should have handled that aspect of post Hussein better, by not marginalizing those key military people. It's what makes ISIS part terror group, part army....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...97676c-cc32-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html
 
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