framer
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Yeah, I like Exum as a better cost-controlled option than Hood.Unfortunately?
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Yeah, I like Exum as a better cost-controlled option than Hood.Unfortunately?
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Appropriate board name to bring this up.Have you met Rodney Hood?
Yeah, I like Exum as a better cost-controlled option than Hood.
For the past 4-5 days I think I've been hitting refresh on JF more than the past 5 years combined. If Monday rolls around and Mirotic lands somewhere else, I'm going to have a serious case of something. I'm sure there's a word for it. Maybe even two.
I'll be feeling pretty blue.
If that happens and the Jazz don't make their own moves I will feel an opportunity was wasted. It doesn't have to be Mirotic per say.
At 25+M. I think you retain Mirotic at 18 or less, unless he explodes then that's a good problem to have. Jabari awfully risky.Jabari (if healthy) is a better player and we would control his rights for a lot longer which makes him a better asset as well.
Lot of IF's. You may also want to include IF he is available for trade and IF Milwaukee doesn' want the farm for him. Also need to factor in cost. If Jabari wants the max is Utah better off getting Mirotic AND Fournier for the same overall cost. Jazz aren't going to pay the luxury tax - at least not for multiple years. They likely would have this year for Hayward, then made cuts next year.Jabari (if healthy) is a better player and we would control his rights for a lot longer which makes him a better asset as well.
I don't get mad about not trading Favors for Aaron Gordon, or for not signing Kevin Durant, but is it wrong if I'm disappointed that we didn't (hypothetically) trade Favors and a first for Mirotic (that's on the table if we want it)? Was it wrong for me to be disappointed that we drafted Burks instead of Kawhi (that was on the table)? I'm not upset. I won't crucify them. I understand the sentiment that people criticize FOs for not making fantasy trades, but I think criticizing real world moves is fair game -- criticizing Rubio trade because even the entire fanbase knew it was a terrible trade, criticizing Raja Bell part II, etc. But, again, the operative word in my post was "disappointed." I'd be disappointed if Mirotic ends up somewhere else. Worst case scenario, I'd trade a first round pick for him. Maybe DL has better trades. Maybe DL thinks he's got another Tony Bradley prospect that he loves. I have no idea. I'm a human and being disappointed is perfectly normal.It always is interesting to me when fans get upset if the Jazz don't make a trade. Nobody knows what is and what isn't on the table.
I don't get mad about not trading Favors for Aaron Gordon, or for not signing Kevin Durant, but is it wrong if I'm disappointed that we didn't (hypothetically) trade Favors and a first for Mirotic (that's on the table if we want it)? Was it wrong for me to be disappointed that we drafted Burks instead of Kawhi (that was on the table)? I'm not upset. I won't crucify them. I understand the sentiment that people criticize FOs for not making fantasy trades, but I think criticizing real world moves is fair game -- criticizing Rubio trade because even the entire fanbase knew it was a terrible trade, criticizing Raja Bell part II, etc. But, again, the operative word in my post was "disappointed." I'd be disappointed if Mirotic ends up somewhere else. Worst case scenario, I'd trade a first round pick for him. Maybe DL has better trades. Maybe DL thinks he's got another Tony Bradley prospect that he loves. I have no idea. I'm a human and being disappointed is perfectly normal.
I get that we disagree on that and have no beef with anyone taking that perspective. Does that mean I can't be disappointed?Trading one of our firsts for him is not a good deal.
I think one area that people really underrate Exum's impact on a game is at the defensive end. He definitely slipped a little bit last year, but he has the potential to be a great defensive player at the second most important position for that (PG). If he can just continue what looked like a growing ability to hit a good percentage from 3 and threaten in the fast break that will make him a really valuable player already. Then if he can put it together in the PnR and half court game outside of that he'll be a huge value to winning. Rodney is a little bit more one dimensional than Dante. If he's not scoring he doesn't bring much to the table. I think guys like Exum are perpetually undervalued by fanbases because what they can contribute isn't always easily quantifiable like ppg or rebounds.When you figure he will get less and has more potential to exceed the contract value I agree... if costs were equal it is obviously a no.
The thing I keep going to with Hood is just not enough upside... If he gets 15-20M per year the best I think he does is live up to it... the worst is he can't stay on the court and regresses... the most likely outcome is that he plays like a $10M a year guy and continues to mildly disappoint but will show a flash every 12 games or so.
I'd do Hood for a pick, but if that isn't there I would understand giving him that money I guess. I would worry that he'd struggle with injuries and become a millstone for us at a time when we really can't carry a millstone.
There is no way in hell that happens.I'll be disappointed if DL gives up too much. A lottery pick in this year's draft is too much.
Damn straight. No way are we a lottery team.There is no way in hell that happens.
I get that we disagree on that and have no beef with anyone taking that perspective. Does that mean I can't be disappointed?
I don’t disagree but I think Chicago’s made it pretty clear what’s on the table — and the other two teams they’re “talking to” will have picks around 20.Of course, but my point is disappointment in a lack of a trade is funny to me when we have no idea what is and isn't on the table and what would and wouldn't be accepted. For instance, maybe the Bulls don't want a protected pick? Maybe no other team wants to give up a pick for Favors in a 3-way deal?