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Obama Government Shutdown?

babe said:
I say if fish and stoked can work together and make things better, we should just put Obamacare on the table and do radical surgery. . . restore the choice Obama promised and intensively nuke the rule-making committees that have re-written the whole damn thing to bring us to the single-payer choice en masse.
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Where do I sign?
 
green said:
The fanatics huh? Wasn't Obama rated as the most liberal senator?

Come on now. You just look silly.
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Tell me who this describes:

--religious fundamentals
--clinging to ways of the past
--believe because they don't get their way that the govt. has gone rogue
--see conspiracy and corruption everywhere
--government has betrayed their way of life and must be fought to restore a religious-based moral code
--worried that they must force their world view onto society or face end of the world
--unable to win through democratic process
--willing to take extreme measures to force their religious ways onto society through hostile government, rather than democratic, control

T'eahad or J'ihad?

S̶h̶a̶r̶i̶a̶ ̶L̶a̶w̶ Tea Party selective interpretation of US Constitution
 
franklin said:
Tell me who this describes:

--religious fundamentals
--clinging to ways of the past
--believe because they don't get their way that the govt. has gone rogue
--see conspiracy and corruption everywhere
--government has betrayed their way of life and must be fought to restore a religious-based moral code
--worried that they must force their world view onto society or face end of the world
--unable to win through democratic process
--willing to take extreme measures to force their religious ways onto society through hostile government, rather than democratic, control

T'eahad or J'ihad?

S̶h̶a̶r̶i̶a̶ ̶L̶a̶w̶ Tea Party selective interpretation of US Constitution
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hahaha. Well done.
 
franklin said:
Tell me who this describes:

--religious fundamentals
--clinging to ways of the past
--believe because they don't get their way that the govt. has gone rogue
--see conspiracy and corruption everywhere
--government has betrayed their way of life and must be fought to restore a religious-based moral code
--worried that they must force their world view onto society or face end of the world
--unable to win through democratic process
--willing to take extreme measures to force their religious ways onto society through hostile government, rather than democratic, control

T'eahad or J'ihad?

S̶h̶a̶r̶i̶a̶ ̶L̶a̶w̶ Tea Party selective interpretation of US Constitution
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well, I of all people know how to construct fantastic takes on reality, but seriously. . . . do you really think people are any different any other way you want to slice and dice them demographically?

we're all victims of our ignorance. Islamic fundamentalists and Teabaggers are no different from government employees worried about the next paycheck, except the fact is those paychecks will be cut, and cashed. Break out some beans and rice, bro. You're not going broke, personally. Not yet.

Establishment folks, together with everyone who believes continuity is the only way of life they can cope with, have gone insane over this "Shutdown" rhetoric and lost all contact with reason.

Teabaggers and the Islamists have lived in the outer darkness of powerlessness for decades, and that is why they are all batcrap crazy. Now it's your turn.
 
ElRoach0 said:
news.yahoo.com/obama-congressional-leaders-still-deadlocked-shutdown-010848250.html

More evidence Republicans are willing to play ball. Just not the members of the tea party.
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I agree that the House should vote straight up on a bill. But the Senate should vote on some of the measures/laws the house sent them instead of tabling them.

Basically this comes down to 4 people. Bheoner, McConnell, Reid and Pelosi.

Edit: Also what a bad series of back and forths between Reid and CCN's Dana Bash. Reid has to be kicking himself for that one.
 
babe said:
well, I of all people know how to construct fantastic takes on reality, but seriously. . . . do you really think people are any different any other way you want to slice and dice them demographically?

we're all victims of our ignorance. Islamic fundamentalists and Teabaggers are no different from government employees worried about the next paycheck, except the fact is those paychecks will be cut, and cashed. Break out some beans and rice, bro. You're not going broke, personally. Not yet.

Establishment folks, together with everyone who believes continuity is the only way of life they can cope with, have gone insane over this "Shutdown" rhetoric and lost all contact with reason.

Teabaggers and the Islamists have lived in the outer darkness of powerlessness for decades, and that is why they are all batcrap crazy. Now it's your turn.
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Actually, studies show that both groups are composed of the wealthier, older male members of society who are grasping at the past in face of a changing world that they can't cope with (like women obtaining rights - male chauvinism is a common fundamentalist trait). Osama Bin Laden was a rich boy; Tea Party is composed of rich, white social security recipients with an irrational fear of others who haven't "earned" the right to game the system as they have. They should receive psychiatric treatment for their disease.


Stoked said:
But the Senate should vote on some of the measures/laws the house sent them instead of tabling them.
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What's the point in voting on token populist legislation that allows the Tea Baggers to continue to make a spectacle of their sworn in constitutional duties? I'm not giving them power to proclaim victory on saving entrance into the symbolic WWII momument when matters that are actually important to the immediate livelyhood of millions are at stake.

Also, blaming this on the leadership is populist rhetoric and a copout.
 
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