There was one guy who was into trash talking (the guy fish mentioned). But it was pretty mundane, and people trash talked back and he took it in good spirits. I didn't think it was confrontational or anything. Keep in mind that fish was hammered.
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There was one guy who was into trash talking (the guy fish mentioned). But it was pretty mundane, and people trash talked back and he took it in good spirits. I didn't think it was confrontational or anything. Keep in mind that fish was hammered.
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There was one guy who was into trash talking (the guy fish mentioned). But it was pretty mundane, and people trash talked back and he took it in good spirits. I didn't think it was confrontational or anything. Keep in mind that fish was hammered.
Oh. Like I said.
Lightweight.
On the **** talking issue. Telling players how to play their cards, or encouraging players to call, or announcing that someone is bluffing or that they "have it" is in the gray area of the "one player to a hand" rule. I don't want to be a rules nazi and I don't want to be overly authoritarian in the way I run the game. Letting stuff like this go to an extent is intentional. However, there are times when it might cross the line. For instance, if someone is making a bluff and their opponent is about to fold but gets talked out of it by the table, that person would have a right to be upset. Same thing goes for almost getting a call when you have the nuts but then having the possible flush or whatever pointed out by people who are not in the hand.
If any one ever feels like that is getting out of hand please just mention it to me and I will let the table know to tone it down and not interfere with a hand they are not in.
If any one ever feels like that is getting out of hand please just mention it to me and I will let the table know to tone it down and not interfere with a hand they are not in.
I actually did that a couple of times. It is not cool. Sorry about that.
I think this was mostly my buddy Eric. That bugged me too. But I know him from work and that's just how he is. I think that's just his thought process. He talks through everything to himself.
And he talks ****, nonstop. But it's all a joke with him. I guarantee if he knew it was bugging people, he would have dialed it back.
All that being said, he got way more out of hand than I expected. 99% of the loudness and rowdiness came from him. I'd have to think twice about inviting him again.
If there is an incident that requires intervention by me as tournament director I like to go back and look at the rules afterwards to make sure the situation was dealt with correctly.
This is rule #2 in Robert's Rules of Poker under Dead Hands:
So for reference, the "muck" are all the previously folded cards and the burn cards.
The situation was one where there were three players in the hand. One was already all-in and on a later round of betting the other two got all-in. One guy, right after calling all-in threw his cards and they went face-down into the muck. He was trying to flip them over but he was pretty drunk and ended up throwing them into the muck instead. Siro and I were pretty sure which card was his (one fell short of the muck and was easy to identify) so I pulled that card and asked if he could tell me what his cards were. He had zero idea what his cards were. That made the situation very difficult as a player who has gone all-in should, in my opinion, not have their hand killed if it is at all avoidable. Pretty terrible way to lose a poker tournament. But he said he was going for the diamond flush. Well, as drunk as he was, he didn't realize that on the turn there was only one diamond on the board and he had zero chance of making a flush. There was a heart that I assume he thought was a diamond. The cards I picker up were a 2 and 7 of diamonds, and I was not happy to see that made two pair with a card to go. Had a two or seven falln it would have been a difficult decision, but since he couldn't identify his hand I wouldn't have awarded him that pot. The situation simply wasn't clear enough to do that.
Curtis, who ultimately won the hand made a comment to me about not being afraid to make a ruling. I'd like to be clear that I was not at all afraid of making a ruling. I feel strongly that an all-in hand should only be killed if there is no possible way to avoid it. This was such a case. But I did want to make an effort to save the hand before making that decision. It doesn't matter that the guy was very drunk and that this mistake was made as a result of that and that it was likely also why he couldn't remember his cards. He was entitled to as much protection and consideration as anyone else in the game.
This is rule #2 in Robert's Rules of Poker under Dead Hands:
So for reference, the "muck" are all the previously folded cards and the burn cards.
The situation was one where there were three players in the hand. One was already all-in and on a later round of betting the other two got all-in. One guy, right after calling all-in threw his cards and they went face-down into the muck. He was trying to flip them over but he was pretty drunk and ended up throwing them into the muck instead. Siro and I were pretty sure which card was his (one fell short of the muck and was easy to identify) so I pulled that card and asked if he could tell me what his cards were. He had zero idea what his cards were. That made the situation very difficult as a player who has gone all-in should, in my opinion, not have their hand killed if it is at all avoidable. Pretty terrible way to lose a poker tournament. But he said he was going for the diamond flush. Well, as drunk as he was, he didn't realize that on the turn there was only one diamond on the board and he had zero chance of making a flush. There was a heart that I assume he thought was a diamond. The cards I picker up were a 2 and 7 of diamonds, and I was not happy to see that made two pair with a card to go. Had a two or seven falln it would have been a difficult decision, but since he couldn't identify his hand I wouldn't have awarded him that pot. The situation simply wasn't clear enough to do that.
Curtis, who ultimately won the hand made a comment to me about not being afraid to make a ruling. I'd like to be clear that I was not at all afraid of making a ruling. I feel strongly that an all-in hand should only be killed if there is no possible way to avoid it. This was such a case. But I did want to make an effort to save the hand before making that decision. It doesn't matter that the guy was very drunk and that this mistake was made as a result of that and that it was likely also why he couldn't remember his cards. He was entitled to as much protection and consideration as anyone else in the game.
It happens a lot and it was happening more often than normal last night. It's not all that big a deal, really. If someone is unhappy about it they should say something and people will generally tone it down.
What did you think of playing in a live game? Very different than playing online, right? Not sure if that was actually the first live poker tournament you've played in.