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Perhaps this is the defining moment for Hayward

gregbroncs said:
So do I. But a big year would not necessarily discount most of what has been said in this thread. He can have a big year and still not show leadership or toughness.
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I agree with Locke this morning.

Hayward needs to take a week or 2 to unwind then get his butt to Utah.

Buy his house, settle in and most importantly workout with the team during optional stuff they have going on in September.

He usually trains in Indy and reports on the day he is due not a day sooner.

Curious to see what he does with $63 million in his pocket and job security, a rarity in the NBA where the avg career is 3.x years.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
How is it that Jaymz's comment wasn't considered racist? Oh well... I need to get off of a soapbox I guess, but racism is still racism regardless of what so called 'race' is being subjugated.

Regardless, my hope is that Hayward really thrives under a new coach. I have VERY little confidence in Corbin. I have for years. He is the main reason our youth movement has sputtered at best. The minute that we signed Corbin over Horney, we lost 3 years and a it looks like recovery may take a bit more.
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I'm about as racist as you are sexist with that screenname. Obviously a lot have things have come to play that *MIGHT* impact Hayward, but if he can't light a fire under his own balls, who's going to do it for him?
 
gregbroncs said:
So do I. But a big year would not necessarily discount most of what has been said in this thread. He can have a big year and still not show leadership or toughness.
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Fair enough, but do any of us really consider Hayward the leader of this team? Have we ever?

Hoping that the leader becomes Exum.
 
The only think Hayward has been the leader of is Jack and ****, and jack left town.

In all seriousness, I have never considered Hayward a vocal leader, but I think he can still lead better by example. IMO, he needs to be mentally stronger and not get so affected by his down games. I don't care if he is a leader if we have Exum step up.

I do not want Trey to be the leader of the team. I'd be scared to see where he leads it.
 
Qman said:
Trey Burke is nominating himself. Nominating himself hard.
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To be fair, who is his competition? Hayward? Exum? Kanter? Gobert? Hood? Burks? Favors?

At least Burke wants it, none of the others seem to care enough to even try.

Maybe if Gobert and Exum pan out and have big years they could challenge for it. But the others are not leaders.
 
franklin said:
I haven't given up on him. It's that I (and a few others) took (and continue to take) so much **** from a lot of dominant posters when I predicted his big contract and why DL could easily justify it, so I quit posting support for him and a lot of jazz stuff. It's too much brain freeze for some to drink.
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Hate the contract and don't think hayward will ever be "worth" a max deal. But the Jazz couldn't let such a huge ***(et) go for nothing in return. I think Hayward is going to rebound with a very good season, with shooting stats in line with his career averages. Hayward was asked to do way too much last year. With better coaching, a better offensive system, I see him coming back strong and just playing basketball. He's not a 30 pt/game scorer. But he does fill up the stat sheet. If he scores 16-18 pts. on 45%/38% shooting, that's all Utah needs from him.
 
Trey Burke = black Jesus, obvs he is the leader of this team.


Gon be bawse when he becomes an allstar #BJBurke
 
Stoked said:
Fair enough, but do any of us really consider Hayward the leader of this team? Have we ever?

Hoping that the leader becomes Exum.
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I think he was definitely looked at as the leader of the team by most of the players last season. And he failed at it. I hope as the team gets older and more experienced a real leader steps up. Because I just don't think Hayward has the personality, mentality or ability to be the leader of a good team, let alone a contending team.
 
gregbroncs said:
I think he was definitely looked at as the leader of the team by most of the players last season. And he failed at it. I hope as the team gets older and more experienced a real leader steps up. Because I just don't think Hayward has the personality, mentality or ability to be the leader of a good team, let alone a contending team.
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I don't think so. They know Hayward even better than we do and we seem to all be getting roughly the same vibe from him. I think the FO tried to push him as the leader of the team but it didn't happen.
 
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