Pick a Salary Dump Trade

[hgb]

KO shot 44% from the corners. He could also come off the bench as the third big or play with bench units and do a bit more. He'd be helpful for them.

Yeah, he'd be of some help, but I wouldn't think playing with Trae is maximizing his abilities. But of course, he'd probably be a half decent Collins replacement, so I can see them doing it.

 

[KqWIN]

You do it on draft day to do it with a swap rather than other firsts. He may not be super negative but I don't see a team taking him for nothing. Maybe it ends up costing nothing to dump him. They may thing a guy they like will be there and see the cost as zero... but sure they may find another taker.

If the new GM cares more about what the 12 hawks fans think than saving his owner from like a 30-40M tax bill and huge future ramifications (losing Murray... paying more to get off of Collins... losing Okongwu... going into the repeater tax and being over the second apron). I give zero ***** what Hawks fans say lol. Last year they didn't even want to trade Capela and Collins for Rudy.

I get the whole shaping your offseason... but for Atlanta there is no offseason unless they move salary. Waiting to move Collins provides zero other options... cuz all they will be able to do is sign minimum guys. Moving Collins is their offseason.... they've tried the patient route with that and... it has not been great. Don't move salary and there is nothing to shape lol. They are painted into a corner... moving Collins is what gets them out of the corner. And maybe we keep KO and they drop far enough they can sign someone. They are super stuck... getting off Collins is what grants them a little glimmer to get unstuck.


I mean if Charlotte got Scoot I could see them moving Rozier... but they have no motivation to make it a salary dump... they can trade him for similar salary and still have cap space, future flexibility, etc. Like why even mention them with a salary dump deal.

I brought up Hawks fans because you don't seem to consider the other side of these trades. Point is everyone, whether it's a fan or a GM, has higher hopes and aspirations to this. They may have to end up doing this anyways, but to make the decision and punt before you even have the chance to do something else just isn't something I think will happen. If you presented this to a non jazz fan they would we see the problem with getting worse in the present and the future. I do believe that a new FO would like to gives themselves a chance to reshape their team and explore other options.

Maybe I'm wrong about that, but feel free to seek out outside opinions if you think this is a trade that this these trades not only make sense, but are so good that they have to forgo any future options and shape their off season around it. I don't care to go into this further, but to me all of these trades are viewed through a heavy a Jazz centric lens.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I mentioned Jordan Poole a couple of days ago and it wasn’t accepted well. Are you guys out on him?

 

[KqWIN]

I mentioned Jordan Poole a couple of days ago and it wasn’t accepted well. Are you guys out on him?

I think the Warriors end up moving him. Hard to know what opinion on the league is around him but I don't see the Jazz as a destination.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I mentioned Jordan Poole a couple of days ago and it wasn’t accepted well. Are you guys out on him?

I don’t know how I feel, honestly. There seems to be both a need and an opportunity to flip, but he also seems like a huge chode, which if he’s doing it in that environment is a sign he might just be a total chode and not just a victim of bad culture or a phase or whatever.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I brought up Hawks fans because you don't seem to consider the other side of these trades. Point is everyone, whether it's a fan or a GM, has higher hopes and aspirations to this.

I very much do consider the other side... I consider all parts of the other side not just the casuals. I consider the GM wanting to make a splash but also looking at his owner and saying he's going to have to write a luxury tax check for 30-40M for a mediocre team and that next year he should budget for a much larger tax bill or they can let one of their stars walk for nothing. There are obviously lots of choices but the GM has a boss... that boss decided last year that a ****** first was worth giving up a good starter on a value deal. I don't think its unreasonable to think he might make a similar assessment here... especially since the new CBA is going to hammer teams even harder now. Of course they aspire to do something more fun than make the books balance... but this is a huge part of the job too. Part than fans don't understand fully.

They may have to end up doing this anyways, but to make the decision and punt before you even have the chance to do something else just isn't something I think will happen. If you presented this to a non jazz fan they would we see the problem with getting worse in the present and the future. I do believe that a new FO would like to gives themselves a chance to reshape their team and explore other options.

I don't think you get it... without a move like this they don't get a chance to do something. If they wait until FA nothing changes... any deal they can do on draft night is available in FA... they can agree and wait until July 1. Without some sort of agreement are they going to go use a cap exception? An exception that could further bury them in tax? There is nothing they are doing in FA that would be hampered by doing a draft night deal... its very much the opposite... it allows you to shop with more confidence.

Maybe I'm wrong about that, but feel free to seek out outside opinions if you think this is a trade that this these trades not only make sense, but are so good that they have to forgo any future options and shape their off season around it. I don't care to go into this further, but to me all of these trades are viewed through a heavy a Jazz centric lens.

They are not no brainer deals for the other teams... but they are good enough. I think they are absolutely realistic. There are definitely two sides to the "wait and keep your powder dry" mentality. A different opportunity opens up but other doors will shut. A swap is the lowest cost I think they will end up paying if they want to dump salary and get something they can use now too.

I've said my piece.

 

[HeatCheck]

I mentioned Jordan Poole a couple of days ago and it wasn’t accepted well. Are you guys out on him?

Maybe if his contract was for 2 additional years and not 4. Jazz will need to give Lauri his extension in '25 and don't think it's a good idea to have Poole's contract on the books for 4 more years. I don't want to be the team paying him over $35 mil in '26-'27.

 

[HeatCheck]

Any of the trades proposed in the initial post are fine although I'm a little skeptical about Collins. Actually I would prefer to spend the capspace to take on contracts/picks from teams over the tax apron moreso than spending that money in a weak FA class.

 

[KqWIN]

I don't think you get it... without a move like this they don't get a chance to do something. If they wait until FA nothing changes... any deal they can do on draft night is available in FA... they can agree and wait until July 1. Without some sort of agreement are they going to go use a cap exception? An exception that could further bury them in tax? There is nothing they are doing in FA that would be hampered by doing a draft night deal... its very much the opposite... it allows you to shop with more confidence.

Yeah I think it's safe to say I don't get what the **** you are saying. If they agree to trade Collins and the 15th pick it changes what they can do later, how could it not? That is a big decision and it absolutely has ripple effects on what their next steps are. If you trade a player or pick you can no longer trade that player or pick because you already traded it. You mean to tell me that if they traded John Collins on draft night they are still able to use him a different deal later? You can't do that. I do not even care to even discuss how nonsensical this is. There is more than one way to shed money and/or trade John Collins, but if you trade John Collins there is no other option to trade John Collins.

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

I also think if you can sneak up into the teens and get a pick then it might make a consolidation and move up trade more feasible with Orlando... so if you can get the #15, #18, #19 pick maybe you are more inclined to do 9/16 for #6. If you can land #15 can you stack that with something Dallas likes to move to #10. Would just love to get a wing/forward and Cason Wallace.

If you came out of the draft with Cason, Ausar, and John Collins... like **** man... I feel damn good about where we are and where we are going.

I love this thinking. I really hope DA can make some bold maneuvers this draft.

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

I also think if you can sneak up into the teens and get a pick then it might make a consolidation and move up trade more feasible with Orlando... so if you can get the #15, #18, #19 pick maybe you are more inclined to do 9/16 for #6. If you can land #15 can you stack that with something Dallas likes to move to #10. Would just love to get a wing/forward and Cason Wallace.

If you came out of the draft with Cason, Ausar, and John Collins... like **** man... I feel damn good about where we are and where we are going.

Would also be great to get Jonathan Isaac out of this deal

 

[NUMBERICA]

Trade 1. It’s the cleanest, simplest, and makes the most sense. Getting the 15th pick rather than the 18th might be kind of a big deal, but this seems to be the part of the draft where everyone’s boards REALLY starts diverging. But at #15 you’re looking at Keyonte, Hawkins, Bufkin, Miller, GG (for those interested), and/or Bilal available and 2-3 of that crop will be off the board at 18/19.

BUUUT, I like having Dipo’s short money. Clean.