I read this in the voice and mind set of that black actor fromthe first Transformers movie when they raid his grandmamas house.
Grandma dont like nobody on her carpet, especially police!
Police Brutality
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I read this in the voice and mind set of that black actor fromthe first Transformers movie when they raid his grandmamas house.
Grandma dont like nobody on her carpet, especially police!
Come now. Of all the people on this forum, I respect your views and opinions more than just about anyone. As far as "facts" go, I still don't have all of the facts, and have stated from the get-go that I don't see anything wrong with what the officer did. As the title of the thread suggests "Brutality", I expected to see some actual brutality, but did not.
If what I've read is correct, she has been involved with at least one hit and run. Take everything else away, and that is enough for me to believe that she has no regard. I don't think this girl is a crazed lunatic, but a moron. Now she's a vegetable, sucks to suck. Probably shouldn't have run from the cops.
Thank goodness that the police had that to fall back on, imo. Can you imagine that cop losing his job or getting sued (or going to jail?!) over this? Over doing his job? Over taking a suspected felon who just tried to escape the jail down with a taser?
Wait, what? Let me rephrase and be clear:
I do not think that the cop did anything wrong. I do, in fact, think the girl made the wrong choice to run from the police, and that the officer was well within his right to nail her with a taser. I also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of Hayward.
I hate you
You're applying situational ethics as your solution. You believe the girl was an idiot and thus punishment should be doled out without respect for the law. That's not justice.
This officer broke the law as it is intended and he damn well knows it. His department knows it. That's whey he has changed his stance to skirt around the vagueness of wordings. If you want to give police authority to detain with tasers then change the damn laws. Where do we sit as a society that says authority can break the law as long as we agree with the end result but we should enforce the law upon this young girl because we disagree with her brand of lawlessness?
He's going to get sued along with the state and most likely lose civily. I wouldn't be surprised to see this march its way toward the supreme court as well. I'm not sure if the officer is protected against criminal action there or not. There's a clause that protects them when following state law even though that procedure is actually constitutional but I don't remember what the correct term is.
I'm going to give it a rest because I came off offensive where I didn't mean to be. Sorry to you and Archie (who's not reading anyway). What I wrote to beanclown stands though.
The only other thing I'd like to know is where each of you draw the line in the sand as to when lethal force is justifiable and when it is not. Specific examples please.
GVC
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We do as the oligarchs command.
Nobody wants to hate on cops until they see something like this.
The girl was running for all she was worth, but handcuffed. She wasn't going to get into a car and drive off, she couldn't have run out of the parking lot. Even a fat officer could have paced her for thirty seconds and then just taken hold of her in a soft arm hold and walked her back to the office.
A handcuffed person has no way to break a fall to protect the head.
I'm starting to get the impression you're relying on police backup in your job a lot dealing with probable nutcases of one kind or another. I would agree with you that this chick was probably marginal to begin with, but that is really all the more reason why a person who actually has his wits doesn't need to resort to even "non-lethal" violence like this. I'm of the opinion that the government programs for managing people, even people who need "help", are just failing, and failing because of the intellectual dishonesty and laziness of the "public servants" who have become, in their own minds, the Lords of the Manor.
I bet that 250lb man tackling her would've been the better option, then people could be jumping all over the cop for not using his taser.
I don't do a lot of neg reps. If you weren't from Vegas, or near enough to know better, I would have laughed off your point of view. I negged you because you should realize how some police "cultures" are just not serving the public need anymore.
I know some folks in Vegas. An elderly mother and adult single daughter who lived in the mother's home. In her nineties, there's been a time or two when the EMTs where called out. The second time some bruises were noticed on the underarm/armpit, where she had obviously been carried by someone a bit too strong for the job. In the panic, the EMTs pushed an accusation that the daughter had caused the bruises, and she was charged with abuse for it, and the mother taken out of her home and put in a care center. In the ensuing legal and medical care expenses, the home went in the red, and Clark County executed a lien on it for "services" and sold it off on a firesale auction for a few thounsand dollars.
Please try to tell me you would have dared to stand up and plead the case for the daughter and would have tried to let them stay in their home, or you have absolutely no credibility with me.
And yes, in Vegas, if you break and run from the cops or even a dogcatcher, you're going down hard.
loyalty for friends can be a nice thing. Your friend on the WVC force has probably told you what it can be like on the job.
My desert Sheriff has always treated me good. He even got visibly angry when I told him how a neighbor had put a gun to my head and threatened to shoot. According to him, that's aggravated assault. I didn't react, and repeated my advice that he should get off my land. Then he started telling me the history of the valley and that he knew where the line was better than I did. I told him if he wasn't too lazy to drive his grader down the old county road once in a while, maybe I'd know where the line was, too. That pretty much made the standoff a no-win for him. He's never been back to discuss the subject, or to drive the grader down the road he's supposed to maintain.
But back to the Sheriff. This is the guy, who single-handedly made a successful arrest of three redneck survivalists who refused to vacate their desert plot after declaring taxes illegal and refusing to pay, and refused to be served eviction notices. They put him under live fire, eighty miles from town. He talked them down, and took them in. No taser needed.
I'd like to invent some way our mint could run off a million copies of him.