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So derozan is a horrible three point shooter, inefficient scorer and subpar passer?
Predict Gordon Hayward's contract structure thread
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So derozan is a horrible three point shooter, inefficient scorer and subpar passer?
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No, and that's why he got only 9.5 mil a year. At that time most considered it as a stretch but now it looks like bargain. Basically Raptors bet on his ridiculous work ethic and talent hoping that he will get where he is now. Jazz on the other hand have very little room for hope that Hayward will be any better than what he is right now. He had full season to show that he can be alpha man and he failed. So why overpay for role player?
I like Hayward for 10mil a year at best. Anything more and I would rather see him leave.
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I remember there was HUGE backlash when they extended DeRozan for 40 million dollars. Raptors fans hated the contract.
He's definitely had a mid-career renaissance, very very few expected him to have the season that he did.
Regardless, AKMVPs post is disingenuous, and incorrect. If DeRozan had this season right before his contract was due to be extended, it is quite obvious that he would fetch WAY more value than 10per. Get real.
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Where did I say that AK's contract was good for the Jazz? It was overpaying but what other chance Jazz had at that time? To let their only All star and leading NBA shot blocker leave to other team? Jazz fans would have crucified KOC had he not kept AK in 2004.
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Hahahaha wait. I need to re-read this:
pls explain to me why it was more likely for DeRozan to have a jump in performance than it is for Hayward to have a similar jump.
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All is true except that very few expected it our of DeRozan. Numerous people in Raptors organization saw it coming. Dude is gym rat and works on his game more than anybody else. It was obvious that he will improve purely on talent level, commitment and work he is putting into. Hayward is way behind when it comes to those qualities.
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Ok, I will summarize:
1. Better natural athletic ability. 2.Better work ethic. 3.Bigger heart/balls - alpha dog mentality.
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Here's my growing problem with Hayward and the composition of this team:
I don't think you can be successful with two guards/wings who stop the ball, even for a second, and survey. I want one guy surveying, and the other two knowing immediately if they should pass, shoot, or drive. The ball should keep moving. Hay, Burke, and Burks are all prone to surveying. (And then, our bigs can be ball-stoppers, too).
A lot of this can be corrected by coaching. But, if I were the coach, I'd have Hayward playing off-ball; I'd take a lot of the surveying away from him and put him in position to immediately shoot, pass, or play in a secondary PnR. Paying a guy like that what franklin is predicting: scary.
I don't think you can be successful with two guards/wings who stop the ball, even for a second, and survey. I want one guy surveying, and the other two knowing immediately if they should pass, shoot, or drive. The ball should keep moving. Hay, Burke, and Burks are all prone to surveying. (And then, our bigs can be ball-stoppers, too).
A lot of this can be corrected by coaching. But, if I were the coach, I'd have Hayward playing off-ball; I'd take a lot of the surveying away from him and put him in position to immediately shoot, pass, or play in a secondary PnR. Paying a guy like that what franklin is predicting: scary.
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DL said in an interview that small market teams can not over pay max players unless they deserve it. Clearly, Hayward does not deserve a max contract. His shooting percentage has declined each year, his assist will go down as Trey gets more of the ball handling responsibilities and he's definitely not a number one option. We can't afford to pay him the max. I'm just grateful it's not possible to pay as long a contract as AK got. Please DL, keep your word and don't over pay him!
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Derozan is still inefficient btw.
30 percent from 3, 42 from the field.
Alec Burks is much better in both categories
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Or his assists will stay the same or increase, even with less usage, when we have more players that can make shots.
See what I did there?
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Good point, jope.
I agree Hayward is NOT a MAX player. And he won't get a MAX contract. If he's offered one, Jazz would have to make a difficult, but correct decision to let him go.
It was clear Hayward was pressing, trying to do too much. And Corbin was letting the burden fall on his shoulders. Ty's offense has relied on one player being "the man." I don't think he knows how to coach any other way. While Hayward's % has dropped, he's improved in other areas such as rebounding. I think his percentage goes back up if/when Trey and/or Burks takes on more of the playmaking role. Better efficiency, better shooting percentage and maybe averages of 18/4/4. That's worth quite a lot.
I agree Hayward is NOT a MAX player. And he won't get a MAX contract. If he's offered one, Jazz would have to make a difficult, but correct decision to let him go.
It was clear Hayward was pressing, trying to do too much. And Corbin was letting the burden fall on his shoulders. Ty's offense has relied on one player being "the man." I don't think he knows how to coach any other way. While Hayward's % has dropped, he's improved in other areas such as rebounding. I think his percentage goes back up if/when Trey and/or Burks takes on more of the playmaking role. Better efficiency, better shooting percentage and maybe averages of 18/4/4. That's worth quite a lot.