Privileged by Kyle Korver

[Archie Moses]

So, your point is that we're killing LESS black boys than we used to? And we should celebrate that? I mean, yeah, I guess that's true. Still sucks pretty hard for those who do get killed, tho.

Did I say anything remotely like that?

No, no I did not.

Your reading skills are poor, but your twisting words and translating things skills are top notch.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make at all.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I find it "funny" that so many white males on this site are telling other white males to "shut up and listen" but are not shutting up to listen themselves.
If we all shut up and listen on this site, nobody will be talking.

I don't want to hear from most of you on this issue because you say "shut up and listen to me because I'm right".
I want to have an actual conversation (back and forth) with someone I can talk to respectfully and not someone so full of themselves or full of disdain for someone with another point of view.

You have to have someone to listen to in order to "shut up and listen", and we just don't have that here... so to all of you advocating people shut up and listen... shut up.

I enjoyed listening to Thabo and Ekpe on the topic. To this point, I don't ever enjoy the "discourse" here on the topic.

 

[Archie Moses]

It's good to understand things, but not only is it irrelevant to the discussion, it's insulting. You're basically responding to a serious grievance by telling people to chill out.

It's not irrelevant. It's literally the discussion at hand.

Saying that I've witnessed change, progression and know the world is getting more educated does not mean, by any stretch that I think anyone should chill. I've clearly written I think it's a major problem. Acknowledging progression does not invalidate that.

Like, bro, what are you even arguing? You're clearly not reading what I'm writing.

 

[Archie Moses]

I find it "funny" that so many white males on this site are telling other white males to "shut up and listen" but are not shutting up to listen themselves.
If we all shut up and listen on this site, nobody will be talking.

I don't want to hear from most of you on this issue because you say "shut up and listen to me because I'm right".
I want to have an actual conversation (back and forth) with someone I can talk to respectfully and not someone so full of themselves or full of disdain for someone with another point of view.

You have to have someone to listen to in order to "shut up and listen", and we just don't have that here... so to all of you advocating people shut up and listen... shut up.

I enjoyed listening to Thabo and Ekpe on the topic. To this point, I don't ever enjoy the "discourse" here on the topic.

This. Good post


People like this make race relations worse.

It's actually disgusting how people have twisted my words to make it seem like I'm telling people to chill or that there's no race relations problems.

You have to think exactly like I do and if you don't, you're against me. I hate this simpleton mentality.

Smh...

 

[Tak]

Indeed. In the context of this conversation, you're saying that you feel the need to talk, and don't like hearing that everyone is already aware of what it means to be white in America without your input. You think it's more important that they listen to you.

Wrong, I'm saying that in any conversation, trying to silence any of the parts is counterproductive, for not every experience is the same and people are individuals. As you are now listening to Korver, and found it enriching, you shouldn't tell people to "shut up" because some blanket statement like "everyone is aware of what it means to be X in X" Under that premise, Korver shouldn't have written his opinion because everyone is aware of what it means to be him.

In other hand, how in the hell I would know what it means to be white in America, least of all tell people about it, if I'm not white nor American? You assume a lot.

You talk about shut up and listen, but it seems you do little of both. There's a saying in my country "Padre Gatica, predica pero no practica" it translates to "father Gatica(surname) he preaches but don't practice" Seems to fit.

 

[hhoop]

Who will decide who will shut up and when?

It’s an individual’s decision when to listen.

Guidance: if you find yourself explaining the experience of racism to an African American person, that’s a good time to stop.

 

[RJF]

White people try to explain racism to black people all the time. Men try to explain feminism to women all the time. Shutting up and listening to the people who are living the experience (and believing them) is what we all need to do. That is how we understand. There isn't really a consensus to be reached.

People in general(myself included) need to learn to listen more with the intent of hearing and less with the intent of responding.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

Well, I would never advise against being skeptical.

However, our players, staff, owners, etc. know our fans pretty well, and many players have been on both benches in our arena. They know what our fans are like. AFAICT, to a person, they believed Westbrook.

Further, I can't think of a single thing Westbrook stood to gain by airing this grievance.

Put those two factors together, and it just seems to make sense to believe Westbrook.

Racism is an ordinary claim, and I believe it on ordinary evidence.

Completely agree. If Russ for some reason just lost his Sh. T. Then leaning into the victim does have the benefits of having folks rally around him. He could have been going for a Jesse Smollett type of situation. Like I said the guys MAGA and previous tweets though make me agree completely with Russ.

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[One Brow]

I don't want to hear from most of you on this issue because you say "shut up and listen to me because I'm right".

I'm not telling anyone to shut up when talking to me.

 

[One Brow]

In other hand, how in the hell I would know what it means to be white in America, least of all tell people about it, if I'm not white nor American? You assume a lot.

Am I assuming as much as a person whose not American telling Americans how to conduct race relations in America?

Of course, maybe you are American. You certainly whine like a white, male American.

 

[Rubashov]

Things are better, but we are far way from where we need to be. Our over-labeling society and piss poor news outlets just want to stir stuff up over and over. Our national news outlets literally stoke fires that need to go out.

And honestly, I thought President Obama was going to lead to more progress for chronically impoverished inner city African Americans. Not much changed in his 8 years in office.

But this message by Korver is a great message for those who sit by and do nothing.

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I think Obama's failures are more about the failure of your democracy than his failings as a politician or leader.

 

[Stoked]

Am I assuming as much as a person whose not American telling Americans how to conduct race relations in America?

Of course, maybe you are American. You certainly whine like a white, male American.

So you both insinuate he’s a liar while dismissing someone’s experience who might have something you should hear.

Not a good look tbh.