What's new
By:

Privileged by Kyle Korver

Mission Accomplished said:
Should he as a white male start kneeling in support of his teammates? It could start the conversation that the NBA has stayed away from having. Eagles player Chris Long seems to be the leader on this problem.

Sent from my SM-N960U using JazzFanz mobile app
Click to expand...

If Kyle Korver, or whoever, felt inclined to kneel during the National Anthem because they felt it was the right way to protest injustices, police brutality, racism and start conversation then go for it. It doesn't really matter what my opinion is.

I'm not the biggest fan of Kaep, or kneeling during the anthem. I believe Kaep started this movement based on some false narratives. That said, I've come to realize that those who have knelt are sincerely doing it because they believe in the cause and it's very personal to them. Kaep has certainly rubbed me wrong, but I've also learned more about him. He puts a lot of time, money, and effort into fighting for what he believes in and I respect that.
 
One Brow said:
It's easy to overstate the effects a President has on an economy, but to the degree such effects exist, they take about 3 years or so to be visible. The economic uplift of the last 2 years, to the degree any President should get credit, would go to Obama.
Click to expand...
Usually, you might have a point. However, the stock market spiked and has stayed high once he won the election. It happened immediately. People can try to give credit to Obama all they want, but regardless, he is the only 8 year President ever without at least one year of 2% growth. So he came into a wrecked economy and pretty much never fixed it.

Trump is an ***, but the economy has been spectacular. He's a big reason for it.

Sent from my VS995 using JazzFanz mobile app
 
One Brow said:
I read Sowell's opinions regularly, once upon a time. I found his economic perspectives pretty standard right-wing stuff. However, for Sowell, you can find hundreds of Coates, Jabbars, etc. I have no problem accepting Sowell's descriptions of his own experiences, but they are dwarfed by the descriptions of other black writers. Are you as willing to accept the experiences and research of Coates as I am of Sowell?
Click to expand...

First off, is your avatar a Catan board with a sword through it? Thanks for the dialogue.

Admittedly, I should do more reading of other intellectuals on matters or race, social economics, etc. However, I wouldn't characterize Sowell's work as descriptions of his own experiences. Anecdotal examples are not what he's using to make his arguments. He's a Senior Fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institute. I've only read one of his books, but it was based almost entirely on research performed. I'm not sure calling his work "Standard Right Wing" is accurate either, as his teachings are much more classic liberal or libertarian.

One Brow said:
Is not equity the way to allow everyone to rise and fall on their own merits?
Click to expand...

That's not my understanding of equity, that's how I would describe equality. Equity would be forcing an equality of outcome, as opposed to equality of opportunity. We can't legislate or force our way to provide an equal outcome in life for everyone or every subset of the American people.
 
One Brow said:
Having white privilege doesn't mean you didn't struggle or didn't achieve, it means while you were struggling, you didn't also have an entire additional load of nonsense to fight. To the degree it is a benefit, it is mostly a privative benefit, that is, a benefit of what you don't have to experience.
Click to expand...

Doesn't everyone have different afflictions and disadvantages they have to fight throughout life? White people have significantly higher rates of suicide than all other racial groups, aside from Native Americans. Is this factored into my White privilege? Is the fact that millions of dollars every year in scholarships are awarded exclusively to Black students factored in? What about colleges requiring lower SAT scores for minority students?
 
Since it keeps being brought up in the progress portion of the duscussion, it's complete nonsense that white nationalism is on the rise because of 9-11 or Obama or Trump or whatever happens in the next year or two. Try to have at least a tiny grasp on recent and past history.

What you see is a manifestation of racism that already exists. Say post 9-11, you probably heard plenty anti-Moslem sentiment about blasting those sand something or others and bombing the middle east into a glass playground. Much of that was a manifestation of existing racist sentiment. Just because you heard more of it does not equal a rise in white nationalism, even though that narrative is convenient to your obscured worldview.

Compare post 9-11 to post Pearl Harbor, when America locked up citizens in internment camps.

White nationalism is in decline, political discourse isnt at an all time high, we aren't more divided than ever, and throw whatever other devastating world us ending POV into this basket. It's all nonsense.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Since it keeps being brought up in the progress portion of the duscussion, it's complete nonsense that white nationalism is on the rise because of 9-11 or Obama or Trump or whatever happens in the next year or two. Try to have at least a tiny grasp on recent and past history.

What you see is a manifestation of racism that already exists. Say post 9-11, you probably heard plenty anti-Moslem sentiment about blasting those sand something or others and bombing the middle east into a glass playground. Much of that was a manifestation of existing racist sentiment. Just because you heard more of it does not equal a rise in white nationalism, even though that narrative is convenient to your obscured worldview.

Compare post 9-11 to post Pearl Harbor, when America locked up citizens in internment camps.

White nationalism is in decline, political discourse isnt at an all time high, we aren't more divided than ever, and throw whatever other devastating world us ending POV into this basket. It's all nonsense.
Click to expand...
Agree to disagree

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using JazzFanz mobile app
 
NFL players stand on the sidelines, 20 yards or so away from fans, during the national anthem. NBA players stand 5 feet.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
I feel sorry for you and others who feel that way. I am curious tho, how far back are we going if you believe white nationalism is higher than Japanes Internment Era? Reconstruction? Naturalization Act of 1790?
Click to expand...

I was mostly disagreeing about not being more divided as a nation than before.
I feel that the democrats vs republicans division is stronger than ever


Sent from my iPad using JazzFanz mobile app
 
fishonjazz said:
I was mostly disagreeing about not being more divided as a nation than before.
I feel that the democrats vs republicans division is stronger than ever


Sent from my iPad using JazzFanz mobile app
Click to expand...

That seems to be natural, instinctual even since people have been saying the same thing forever. Books have been written about it. I remember an SKA post on it way back when, about how they used to have fistfights in the halls of Congress and even on the House floor. There's the famous duel, and of course the Civil War being the height of division. We were divided over fighting WWII, and on and on. Division in debate always has been and always will be, and all these calls for the need to come together are only empty lip service, bemoaning the process. We talk about and praise uniting leaders and the neverending need for another, but in my view they are a product of culmination rather than the other way around.

But in the end the way we see division is a feeling, and we cant argue against how someone feels.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top