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heyhey said:
I don't feel quilty for being white. Like I said before, I Like social justice and try to be proactive.

I am also for Gay marriage. Is that motivated by my straight guilt?
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Good. I have no desire for you to feel guilt, and don't care whether your positions are motivated by guilt, anger, and an unemotional preference for simple fairness.
 
Stoked said:
I'm not busting you on anything. I am simply asking. Is that what happened? AFter this post it appears not. I simply didn't understand the tone of the post. It happens.
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Man I wasn't mad there either

better start adding *sarcasm* to these posts

I thought the long sentence with clearly too much passion was a dead give away.

My bad
 
heyhey said:
Don't take it the wrong way when I say this, because I generally like your posts, but in this thread you have been an *** hole in my opinion.
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I'd have to have some idea of what that means in order to take offense.

Considering you have been going on about how I'm trying to make you feel guilty, when I haven't said anything about how you're at fault or any similar guilt-inducing rhetoric, I can't place much credence in your opinion of my behavior in this thread.
 
One Brow said:
I'd have to have some idea of what that means in order to take offense.

Considering you have been going on about how I'm trying to make you feel guilty, when I haven't said anything about how you're at fault or any similar guilt-inducing rhetoric, I can't place much credence in your opinion of my behavior in this thread.
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hahaha. Nice dodge.
 
One Brow said:
I'd have to have some idea of what that means in order to take offense.

Considering you have been going on about how I'm trying to make you feel guilty, when I haven't said anything about how you're at fault or any similar guilt-inducing rhetoric, I can't place much credence in your opinion of my behavior in this thread.
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So does that mean you are or aren't white?
 
heyhey said:
No as far as I can tell you're trying to speak for me, and stoked, and Log, and Moe, and I'm pretty sure you put words into Gfs mouth as well.

Are you going to continue to dodge the question?
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I have spoken about you, Stoked, etc. in the sense that you are human, and therefore process data as humans do. Could you point out where I was speaking for you?

I'll answer it if you can tell me why it matters.
 
One Brow said:
I have spoken about you, Stoked, etc. in the sense that you are human, and therefore process data as humans do. Could you point out where I was speaking for you?

I'll answer it if you can tell me why it matters.
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You have also spoken at length about white privelage and how they cannot understand it from a non white perspective. I take it that you wont answer the question. I suspected as much but hoped for better.

Oh well...
 
One Brow said:
I'm urging all people to recognize that they are products of their culture, that they share in the cognitive shortcuts and assumptions passed onto them by the culture, and that simply ignoring/denying the existence of these shortcuts means they perpetuate the shortcuts, even if they do not intend to do so. Intent is not relevant, behavior is. In particular, guilt is meaningless. inless it motivates change.

I defy you to pull out one sentece from the past 17 pages where I attacked, or even insulted, any other poster.

You are the one who equates the unequal playing field with "hopeless". There will always be indivuiduals who can clear the bar, even when it is set higher for them. Discrimintion against blacks in employment, STEM disciplines, etc. doesn't mean no blacks are employed nor that none work it STEM. It means that some of them are turned away, or accept lesser positions and opportunities. Denying this sort of victimization does not make it go away.



My recommendation is that when you bring King up, you need to keep in mind that you have a much smaller share in the experiences that informed King than many others have, and so your understanding of King is lacking in that regard. I have no problem with you saying what King inspires in you. However, you were trying to tell me what King meant as a corrective to my view. There are a few posters in here that seem knowledgeable enough that I would take such a corrective seriously. You're not one of them. You obviously lack the experiences and just as obviously have not attempted any serious study of the issue.



I have not ignored what you say, but I take it as seriously as I do the notion that the earth is flat and supported on the back of a turtle. Before I can work with you to make things better, you have to be able to see what's wrong. Why should I work with you on solutions when you don't even see the real problem?
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how about that statement? My race seems to matter.

Wow clicked on a random page of this thread and found an example.

Any one else want to give it a try.
 
heyhey said:
In regards to this one, are you serious? You have accused everyone on here as being incapable of looking past their own racial biases and personal experiences.
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I didn't address this point well, so I'll be more clear about it: you can't address personal biases when you refuse to acknowledge they exist. As I have mentioned, I know I have biases, and I actively work against them.

Yes, there are studies that show people who deny they have biased behave in a more biased fashion than people who acknowledge they have biases.
 
Stoked said:
You have also spoken at length about white privelage and how they cannot understand it from a non white perspective.
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Does my being white, or black, or Asian, or whatever change the truth of that statement?

Again, if you can tell me why it matters, I'll answer it.
 
heyhey said:
how about that statement? My race seems to matter.
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If I'm white, I have definitely experienced the privilege that white people receive, and do not have access to the same background informing King's statements that black people do. If I'm not white, I have definitely not experienced the privilege that white people receive, and have access to some of the same background informing King's statements that black people do.

Either way, how does my race affect the truth of that statement?
 
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