Reasons you left the LDS church.

[Bronco70]

Is it true or not true that soaking is not considered sex and is acceptable to do with people you are not married with.

By who? The people that engage in it have probably convinced themselves that it's okay, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in authority that finds it acceptable.

Your knowledge of the LDS faith seems pretty scant.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Hey there are still people that claim that Islam is a religion of war.

The bible quotes Jesus "I have come not to bring peace but the sword" also it quotes Jesus in Luke 19 verse 27 Bring people who don't believe in me and slaughter them in front of me.

The Quran is the only religion that says killing a single person is as if killing the entirety of Humanity, and saving a single persons life is as if saving the entirety of Humanity. It doesn't say saving a single Muslim or killing a single Muslim but just says Human.

The whole soaking thing, thats why I am asking... Also I hear the LDS church doesn't like black people as in they are cursed by God and God hasn't yet lifted that curse.

 

[Siro]

The Quran is the only religion that says killing a single person is as if killing the entirety of Humanity, and saving a single persons life is as if saving the entirety of Humanity. It doesn't say saving a single Muslim or killing a single Muslim but just says Human
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[Archie Moses]

Also I hear the LDS church doesn't like black people as in they are cursed by God and God hasn't yet lifted that curse.

Neg repped for being ignorant.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Neg repped for being ignorant.

I don't even know what that means but here is what I got it from. (Really neg repped me for being black but scapegoats me)

And [God] had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God; I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities." (2 Nephi 5:21)

I am asking questions :/

Also isn't it True that for over a hundred years Blacks couldn't be priests?

Edit also Joseph Smith Quote " Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization." (as recorded in History of the Church, Volume 5, p. 216))

 

[colton]

Is it true or not true that LDS members believe that people from Israel came to the Americas and have done some sinful things and got red skin as punishment becoming Native Americans.

Now we're getting someplace... asking what others believe is always better than telling them what they believe.

In this case, the Book of Mormon teaches that a group of Israelites came to the Americas around 600 B.C. and settled there. (It also teaches about an earlier group who migrated from the Old World to the New World, but that's a minor part of the book.) It teaches that the people split into two main groups shortly thereafter, and that one of the groups had a darker skin than the other. That's about it, as far as where you're coming from. Specifically, the Book of Mormon does not teach that no other people existed in the Americas. It doesn't teach that all Native Americans are descended only from Israelites. And it certainly doesn't teach that reddish hued skin is a punishment from God.

If you find one Native American who has DNA evidence from Israel, I am sure that many many people would be willing to convert to Mormonism, if it is only one tribe or group are they gone now? Why isn't there a larger effort to find this tribe then, because every single tribe studied so far has Asian descent.

I think most LDS scientists would probably believe that the group from Israel intermingled with other natives living there, which caused the "Israelite DNA" to be diluted or perhaps even lost. If you really care about this, here's a link you can read for an LDS chemist's perspective:
https://www.jefflindsay.com/bme13.shtml

Is it true or not true that dark skin is a curse by god.

Not.

 

[colton]

The bible quotes Jesus "I have come not to bring peace but the sword" also it quotes Jesus in Luke 19 verse 27 Bring people who don't believe in me and slaughter them in front of me.

Fortunately we believe that parts of the Bible are symbolic. If the Bible taught that Jesus had actually had people bring unbelievers to him to be slaughtered, well then your point would be much more significant.

Also I hear the LDS church doesn't like black people as in they are cursed by God and God hasn't yet lifted that curse.

I don't know any LDS at all who have that view, although there were probably some before 1978. Prior to that time there was a policy against ordaining black men to the priesthood (for whatever reason, could be the subject of another thread), and so some church members likely believed that blacks were suffering from a curse, or some other thing like that, and used that belief to justify the church's policy.

 

[colton]

Edit also Joseph Smith Quote " Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization." (as recorded in History of the Church, Volume 5, p. 216))

In other words, Joseph Smith taught that the slaves should be freed, and that they should be able to set up their own communities because the white people were oppressing them so terribly.

Here's the full quote, of which you are just taking the last line:

Elder Hyde inquired about the situation of the negro. I replied, they came into the world slaves mentally and physically. Change their situation with the whites, and they would be like them. They have souls, and are subjects of salvation. Go into Cincinnati or any city, and find an educated negro, who rides in his carriage, and you will see a man who has risen by the powers of his own mind to his exalted state of respectability. The slaves in Washington are more refined than many in high places, and the black boys will take the shine of many of those they brush and wait on.
Elder Hyde remarked, "Put them on the level, and they will rise above me." I replied, if I raised you to be my equal, and then attempted to oppress you, would you not be indignant and try to rise above me, as did Oliver Cowdery, Peter Whitmer, and many others, who said I was a fallen Prophet, and they were capable of leading the people, although I never attempted to oppress them, but had always been lifting them up? Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_early_Mormonism

 

[GVC]

so some church members likely believed that blacks were suffering from a curse, or some other thing like that, and used that belief to justify the church's policy.

Like that black people were less valiant followers of Christ in the pre-existence?

 

[Bronco70]

also Joseph Smith Quote " Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization." (as recorded in History of the Church, Volume 5, p. 216))

Joseph Smith, especially in the last several years of his life, was adamantly, and very publicly, anti-slavery (this was a controversial topic of the time, and it would have been in his best interest, politically speaking, to not take a position, let alone a strong one). Also, during his administration, blacks were church members and priesthood holders. Subsequent leaders were responsible for the disconnect of blacks from the priesthood, and to be quite honest, I have no idea what the reasoning was. But blaming JS is more barking up the wrong tree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_early_Mormonism

The Church never denied membership based on race (although slaves had to have their master's permission to be baptized), and several black men were ordained to the priesthood during Joseph Smith's lifetime. The first known black Latter-day Saint was "Black Pete", who joined the Church in Kirtland, Ohio, and there is some evidence that he held the LDS priesthood.[2] Other African Americans, including Elijah Abel in 1832, Joseph T. Ball in 1835 or 1836 (who also presided over the Boston Branch from 1844–1845), and Walker Lewis in 1843 (and probably his son, Enoch Lovejoy Lewis), were ordained to the priesthood during Smith's lifetime.[3] William McCary was ordained in Nauvoo in 1846 by Apostle Orson Hyde.[4] Two of the descendants of Elijah Abel were also ordained Elders, and two other black men, Samuel Chambers and Edward Leggroan, were ordained Deacons.[5]
Early black members in the Church were admitted to the temple in Kirtland, Ohio, where Elijah Abel received the ritual of washing and anointing (see Journal of Zebedee Coltrin). Abel also participated in at least two baptisms for the dead in Nauvoo, Illinois, as did Elder Joseph T. Ball.

 

[CONAN]

Jesus is still believed to be the Messiah, and he is expected to appear on the dawn of judgement day.

This is new to me. I thought they only thought of him as a prophet. He's a Messiah just not Islam's Messiah?

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Jesus and Moses(PBU both of them) are both mentioned in the Quran more then Muhammad (PBUH). Mulims basically believe that for the first 300-400 years Christianity was correct but then started worshipping Jesus. Muhammad (PBUH), according to us, came and said that was wrong and stressed that Allah has no equals, no trinity or anything like that. That is one of the very few differences between Christianity and Islam basically. We believe in the Virgin birth. We don't believe that God bestowed Mary. He is the son of God in the sense that everyone in this world is the son of god. According to us, Christians say that Jesus is special because he has no father besides God. Then using this isn't Adam better in that he didn't have a mother or a father?

Also, Islam gives equal blame to Adam and Eve and doesn't say that it was only Eve's fault and women are the originators of Sin.(Side rant)