Tell your friend to start doing "the stranger" during "sex", it'll do amazing things to your off-hand. You'll be fury'ing and fluttery'ing in your sleep, yo.
Romney Fundraiser - Secret Taping
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Tell your friend to start doing "the stranger" during "sex", it'll do amazing things to your off-hand. You'll be fury'ing and fluttery'ing in your sleep, yo.
Gee, I wonder if Obama's team is going to play the hell out of this quote especially since Romney played the hell out of the "You Didn't Build This" quote.
Though I'm guessing that you Utahans have the luxury of not hearing a campaign ad every 10 seconds as opposed to living in Colorado.
Though I'm guessing that you Utahans have the luxury of not hearing a campaign ad every 10 seconds as opposed to living in Colorado.
Yep, sometimes living in Utah really is Heaven on Earth.
larryselbows
Banned
While I actually agree with Romney to a certain extent, I don't think all 47% of democrats are dependent on the government. Obviously he was swept up in the moment and made a dumb remark, but I will say this, I would pay more credence to Romney's economic stances if he were self-made. It's almost become a cliche' parable that rich people beget rich people. I really don't think talent is totally genetic, things like diligence, patience, and luck play into it, but despite this, wealth does seem to be generationally contiguous. I do think that wealth in many cases has become a closed system for certain families despite the outcry for a merit-based society.
This video and Obama's "you did not build it" nonsense is really just a derivative of the central theme of this campaign, which is the absurd argument about taxation. It is the only "real" difference between the parties, at least in terms of differences they can sell to large groups of their supporters. This debate has been building for years, mainly because both have two main traits in common..they will never accept responsibility for anything and really have no new ideas. The Republicans use taxes as their ace in the bullpen, when all else fails call for tax cuts. The faithful will goose step in line even though 95% of those that vote republican can't tell you the first thing about the tax code. The Democrats use taxes as the mother of all cause and effects to keep the faithful in line. The Dems are always one extra tax dollar away from nirvana.
It is an unfortunate debate that end of the day will not improve anybody's lives regardless of outcome, yet nearly every single voter takes the bait.
It is an unfortunate debate that end of the day will not improve anybody's lives regardless of outcome, yet nearly every single voter takes the bait.
GoJazz
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The left vs right dichotomy is going to ruin this country. If we were being honest with ourselves would any of us really vote for either party? For instance, lets talk the national debt. One party wants to raise taxes and spending, the other wants to reduce taxes and spending. Does either of those options sound anything like a true debt reduction plan? If you were serious about eliminating debt wouldn't you want to raise taxes and reduce spending? Could it be that both parties are partially correct?
Some are yes. 47% no but some people yea.
Edit: is the 47% figure those who do not pay taxes? Does that include those gaming the self employment tax exemptions and low income workers (such as single mothers working as waitresses) that get all the taxes they paid back?
What most Americans are blind to, and is a sad reality of our country is, the false dichotomy of the two-party system.
Both the left and the right act (sometimes in unison and sometimes haphazardly) toward a larger plan of action. Republicans charm the conservative population with their talk of "family" and a "strong military". Democrats woo the liberal population with promises of better social programs and more benefits for minorities. Behind the talk, however, both parties diligently fleece the public while creating massive wealth, influence, and power for the ruling class. Both.
Both the left and the right act (sometimes in unison and sometimes haphazardly) toward a larger plan of action. Republicans charm the conservative population with their talk of "family" and a "strong military". Democrats woo the liberal population with promises of better social programs and more benefits for minorities. Behind the talk, however, both parties diligently fleece the public while creating massive wealth, influence, and power for the ruling class. Both.
candrew
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6+ pages of blathering about entitlement and taxes, liberals and conversatives.
No one has close to even addressing my original question.
Forget about politics. If candidate X who is running for leader of the free world got in front of a microphone and said out loud that there is nothing he can do for half the people in the country - am I the only one who finds this deeply disturbing?
Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton were two completely different people, they were both flawed individuals; but at the very least they both had a plan for the American people - a set of core values that they felt were broadly appealing and that, if applied, would make everybody's life better.
What Romney is saying is a dark and twisted turn that I've never heard from a presidential candidate. Even if what he said has some validity to it, if this is somthing he actually believes, I can't get just my mind around how this guy managed to get to this point and, more importantly, why he is running for president in the first place.
No one has close to even addressing my original question.
Forget about politics. If candidate X who is running for leader of the free world got in front of a microphone and said out loud that there is nothing he can do for half the people in the country - am I the only one who finds this deeply disturbing?
Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton were two completely different people, they were both flawed individuals; but at the very least they both had a plan for the American people - a set of core values that they felt were broadly appealing and that, if applied, would make everybody's life better.
What Romney is saying is a dark and twisted turn that I've never heard from a presidential candidate. Even if what he said has some validity to it, if this is somthing he actually believes, I can't get just my mind around how this guy managed to get to this point and, more importantly, why he is running for president in the first place.
From the first few responses it seems you are int he minority (so far) in getting that out of what was said.
Two things:
You cannot help those that refuse to help themselves.
I did not watch the video you posted.
