There's something going on with Will Hardy and Brice. For whatever reason, Brice isn't being given the minutes or green light that other guys have been. It's not like the minutes are going to Cody, Svi or Juzang.
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Cuz he really does nothing on the court outside of shooting it. Plays too slowly on both ends.
So this is what I had before the season:
1 Cody (drops to 4)
2 Keyonte (stays at 2)
3 Filipowski (drops to 5)
4 Kessler (moves up to 1)
5 Sensabaugh (moves up to 3)
6 Hendricks (drops to 7)
7 Collier (moves up to 6)
Now, I'd say it's more like this:
1 Kessler -- He's shaken off his sophomore slump to be one of our most consistent players, also desired by other teams.
2 Keyonte -- He needs to play in a more tightly defined role, but he'll be a starting-caliber, 20/4/4 guy in a year or two.
3 Brice -- Bankable shooter with a few counters, but doesn't offer much else yet. Fringe starter and versatile rotation player.
4 Williams -- He needs to work on his body. Full stop. He becomes a plus perimeter defender the minute has has some physical presence.
5 Flip -- Serviceable backup 4/5; still a lot of potential to work with, but doesn't do anything at a particularly high level yet (defense, rebounding, shooting, scoring)
6 Collier -- Still a backup point guard with limited shooting, but he's making strides. He's playing for the Jazz because he's the only point guard we have.
7 Hendricks -- coming off a tough injury at a critical time in his development makes him a 'wait-and-see.'
1 Cody (drops to 4)
2 Keyonte (stays at 2)
3 Filipowski (drops to 5)
4 Kessler (moves up to 1)
5 Sensabaugh (moves up to 3)
6 Hendricks (drops to 7)
7 Collier (moves up to 6)
Now, I'd say it's more like this:
1 Kessler -- He's shaken off his sophomore slump to be one of our most consistent players, also desired by other teams.
2 Keyonte -- He needs to play in a more tightly defined role, but he'll be a starting-caliber, 20/4/4 guy in a year or two.
3 Brice -- Bankable shooter with a few counters, but doesn't offer much else yet. Fringe starter and versatile rotation player.
4 Williams -- He needs to work on his body. Full stop. He becomes a plus perimeter defender the minute has has some physical presence.
5 Flip -- Serviceable backup 4/5; still a lot of potential to work with, but doesn't do anything at a particularly high level yet (defense, rebounding, shooting, scoring)
6 Collier -- Still a backup point guard with limited shooting, but he's making strides. He's playing for the Jazz because he's the only point guard we have.
7 Hendricks -- coming off a tough injury at a critical time in his development makes him a 'wait-and-see.'
I think you're definitely selling Collier short. He isnt playing because he's the only PG. He unseated Keyonte. He's putting up great assist numbers for a rookie. Having Brice or Filipowski over him, who both currently cant guard anyone at the NBA level, is bonkers. And I cant even fathom anyone having Cody over him. I would get it if Cody showed more than a flash every 20 games, but his flashes arent even worthy of being called flashes.
I just don't think the league values these Elfrid Payton, Cam Payne-type guards who don't shoot it and can't play off the ball. Collier's ability to push tempo, get downhill and pass is high-level, but he needs to be a more complete player before teams will take him seriously, imo.
yeah, but Elfrid Payton/Cam Payne didnt have elite speed/strength.
I see Collier developing his scoring and shooting as far more likely than any other question mark that surrounds our various young players.
Like ranking Cody over Collier is you just holding onto your completely made up idea of what Cody was from your draft takes when you convinced us he was going to be a taller SGA
Maybe. The requirement for 6'3" guards is just awfully high. I could see Collier moving above Flip, but I just think teams are more likely to invest in the 7-footer with potential and workable touch. Like, what if Flip adds a solid 15 lbs, gets his 3pt shooting up 5% and figures out how to operate on an NBA floor. We're dealing with rookies, and future value is still largely based on development potential.
If Collier can show some in-between game, that would help too.
Obviously the SGA thing for Cody was a loose comp and outlier outcome. Cody's supposed to be more like a 6'7" Latrell Sprewell, and that's after a few years of development. You can look up my posts on Cody in the draft thread. The Jazz also had Cody rated as a top-5 prospect, which is why they were happy to draft him where they did.
Teams are still going to value Cody over Isaiah at this stage, due to Cody's potential and his measurables. Collier has had some nice games over the past few weeks, but it's not enough to change his role or his outlook much in the bigger picture. The Jazz will happily draft a high-level lead guard in one of the next two drafts and make Collier a backup. Right now, the Jazz are trying to lose.
Update:
1. Kessler - obvious
2. Key - Likely NBA rotation player and better chances at being starter than anyone below.
This is where it gets hard.
I think Collier has the best chance of being a starter out of the remaining players, but I actually think Brice and Flip are more likely to be NBA rotation players. Collier has a bigger range and it's because he can't shoot at all. I love the kid, but he's playing in a situation that is both a little fake and also perfect for him. He gets to have the ball all the time and play next to good offensive players that don't necessarily need or want the ball a ton. He would have to make massive improvements to warrant having the ball in his hands in a situation less ideal. He has a narrow role for success and you need to be really good to have that role in the NBA making it somewhat boom or bust. Brice and Flip don't have the two way potential to be high impact players that Collier could potentially be, but they have an easier time fitting around better players. But for the potential alone and giving him a S/O for his recent play I'll move Collier up to 3.
3. Collier
4. Brice
5. Flip
It gets easy again here.
6. Cody
I mean, I really like Filipowski, but it's hard to see him as anything more than a nice backup vs Collier who has the tools to be a high level playmaker. It's easier to teach a guy how to shoot than it is how to play defense.
I really doubt Cody would get more than Collier on the open market at this point. Cody's lows are extremely low and his highs are basically non-existent vs Collier who has shown great highs.