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Rudy the Beast

What research, they didn't keep track of turnovers, blocks, PERs, any of that stuff, and what they did track was done with a pencil and paper and subject to human error. Still some of his official stats are downright pathetic. He finished with a career fg% of .540 and a free throw % of .511. For comparison, Rudy's career % in those areas are presently .650 and .634. Due to the fact that games were considerably longer and Wilt averaged 45.8 minutes per game compared to Rudy's 31.6 mins per game (for their careers, excluding Rudy's first year), things like rebounds and assists are difficult to compare. Sure Wilt averaged 22.9 rebounds per game for his career and Rudy has a paltry 12.4 (excluding his first year where he barely played), but Rudy seems to have turned a corner here due to increased strength and by comparing 15 boards per game for 32 minutes compared to Wilt's average at that age (29) of 24.6 rpg for 47.3 minutes, we can see that Gobert is not far behind on a per minute basis. The remaining advantage for Chamberlain in this department could easily be attributed to today’s three point shot which decreases the natural rebounding advantage the big man has. And when you factor in what they allowed them to get away with in those days combined with Wilt's strength you can see where making a truly objective comparison in this department becomes nearly impossible.

But beyond the numbers, I was there! I watched many of those classic encounters between Chamberlain and Jabbar, and Chamberlain and Russell. If he was so damn dominant why do his closest contemporaries and rivals have better winning records? In 16 seasons, Wilt only managed to win two rings whereas Russell won 11 titles in 13 seasons and Jabbar won 6 rings in 20 seasons. Let's also remember just how small the league was in those days. One would think that a truly phenomenal freak center would have fared a little bit better. What I remember of Wilt towards the end was an almost freakishly scared to be fouled athlete ala Ben Simmons last season that would alternately shoot underhand, overhand to the side of the line or actually stradling at the top of the circle shooting the ball two hand between the legs.

Regardless what you want to believe or argue, it was a truly different game back then, played over more minutes and with more laissez faire officiating. I remember when Earl the Pearl Monroe came along, because until that time a guard that could penetrate and finish among the trees was unheard of. He and Nate the Skate Archibald ushered in a new era with better ball skills and quicker more athletic players IMO. Comparing the players of that era in terms of accomplishments is almost like apples and oranges - very difficult to do.

And for the record, please don't try to tell me what I can and can't say on this forum, you're no more of an authority than I am.
Anybody who puts Rudy in the same conversation as Wilt is a moron or a homer or both.

Rudy is a damn fine player. Excellent defender.

I'm not going to tell you what you can and can't say you overreacting baby, but the truth is the truth. Rudy ain't close to Wilt. Rudy is a whiner and is soft on offense. Not only was Wilt a better defender, he was also one of the best offensive forces the league has ever seen.

As for Wilt's record, use logic. There were less teams. You seem to talk about what you saw. You saw the Celtics. They won 11 titles in 13 years because they had half of the hall of famers in that era. And the best coach. Jerry West was a badass, but he lost so many finals because the Celtics were just too stacked. I agree that Wilt didn't have the drive like others we have seen, but to me, that makes his dominance that much more impressive.



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Anybody who puts Rudy in the same conversation as Wilt is a moron or a homer or both.

Rudy is a damn fine player. Excellent defender.

I'm not going to tell you what you can and can't say you overreacting baby, but the truth is the truth. Rudy ain't close to Wilt. Rudy is a whiner and is soft on offense. Not only was Wilt a better defender, he was also one of the best offensive forces the league has ever seen.

As for Wilt's record, use logic. There were less teams. You seem to talk about what you saw. You saw the Celtics. They won 11 titles in 13 years because they had half of the hall of famers in that era. And the best coach. Jerry West was a badass, but he lost so many finals because the Celtics were just too stacked. I agree that Wilt didn't have the drive like others we have seen, but to me, that makes his dominance that much more impressive.



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I mean it’s not like Wilt didn’t have some good teammates throughout his career what with Attles, Arizen, Hairston, Guokis, Cunningham, Thurmond, and of course Baylor, West and Goodrich in LA. And if you’re going to bring coaches into it, consider that the great Auerbach never won a championship without Bill Russell.

The difference between Russell and Chamberlain according to one article I read was that Russell did the intangibles anything to make the team better whereas Chamberlain was all about his own numbers, his own massive ego. A lot like Shaq in that respect IMO.

And like Shaq, Chamberlain’s exceptionally poor free throw % would have been exploited to death in the modern era. Hack a Shaq is basically the sole reason we don’t talk about Shaq as a GOAT candidate and Chamberlain was even worse in that respect.

And if Chamberlain’s modern corollary is Shaq, there’s a good reason why Gobert gets compared most to Russell, he does the little things that make his TEAM better!
 
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Rudy the hard nosed Lane Fear was just another clumsy Rook
And if you remember that first season you wondered if he’d get a second look
All of the coaches and trainers used to drill him endlessly
They always felt poor Rudy would come around eventually
Then one no-defense Kanter-Freedom day, Quin Snyder came to say
Rudy with your impressive wingspan, won’t you anchor my new Defensive Game plan
Then all the NBA loved him as Rudy just shut down the paint
To opponents he’s the Lane Fear Destroyer but to fans he’ll always be a Saint
 
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I mean it’s not like Wilt didn’t have some good teammates throughout his career what with Attles, Arizen, Hairston, Guokis, Cunningham, Thurmond, and of course Baylor, West and Goodrich in LA. And if you’re going to bring coaches into it, consider that the great Auerbach never won a championship without Bill Russell.

The difference between Russell and Chamberlain according to one article I read was that Russell did the intangibles anything to make the team better whereas Chamberlain was all about his own numbers, his own massive ego. A lot like Shaq in that respect IMO.

And like Shaq, Chamberlain’s exceptionally poor free throw % would have been exploited to death in the modern era. Hack a Shaq is basically the sole reason we don’t talk about Shaq as a GOAT candidate and Chamberlain was even worse in that respect.

And if Chamberlain’s modern corollary is Shaq, there’s a good reason why Gobert gets compared most to Russell, he does the little things that make his TEAM better!
Who you play with and who you are coached by makes a massive difference.

Most people consider MJ to be the best ever. MJ had a losing season every season without Pippen. 5 losing seasons. That's a lot. Without Pippen, MJ had a 1-10 playoff game record. Russell was amazing, but he played on the most stacked team of the era and it wasn't close.

Wilt wasn't a great free throw shooter, but he did everything else. They called him selfish, so he went and led the entire league in assists. Wilt is no doubt a top 5 player all time.



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Rudy the hard nosed Lane Fear was just another clumsy Rook
And if you remember that first season you wondered if he’d get a second look
All of the coaches and trainers used to drill him endlessly
They always felt poor Rudy would come around eventually
Then one no-defense Kanter-Freedom day, Quin Snyder came to say
Rudy with your impressive wingspan, won’t you anchor my new Defensive Game plan
Then all the NBA loved him as Rudy just shut down the paint
To opponents he’s the Lane Fear Destroyer but to fans he’ll always be a Saint
Sorry but I had to revise it……my perfectionism is a curse I tell ya:p
 
Didn’t Wilt play defense? Shaq… LOL didn’t.
The discussion of Shaq’s defense is complicated. You can’t throw his entire career under the bus like you just did, because the data don’t back it up. There were years when his team was better defensively with him on the court.
 
More vindication and calling the rest of the team out for their ****** ****** defense.



Also I would love Dort on our team.
 
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Lopo really post in a Gobert appreciation thread about some old *** dude who played with people who dribbled like Stanley from The Office.
 
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