Fultz did and TJ got one this season when he got starter minutes. It is definitely part of their system.
Sorry Jazz fans – Ben is the NBA Rookie of the Year
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Bawse Dawg
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I honestly can’t believe you can make these posts back to back and claim you aren’t biased.
Seems a tad harsh attributing the system to giving triple doubles because he brings the ball up, he is the point guard on the team.
If the consensus that Ben is as good in stats due to the system 76ers run what are peoples thoughts on the Jazz system for DM, does the Jazz style hurt or help his game?
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You can't? It's true.
And I never said I didn't have a bias. We all have bias.
Some people think Ben Simmons is great and point to all his great things he does to prove that. Some of us think he's great but has obvious weakness' to his game, and we point out what those perceived weaknesses are. One point to prove Simmons' greatness is his triple doubles. I'm simply pointing out his triple doubles shouldn't be so strongly used in the debate.
This is a basketball forum.
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Bawse Dawg
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So Sixers are the only ones who figured out that throwing the ball to open three point shooters is a good idea? Or is it actually harder than it looks because only LeBron and Simmons run offenses that way.
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It's the system. Doesn't mean other other teams don't run similar systems with high assist players.
But to add, he plays with great 3 point shooters (who are tall) who can get there shot off with almost no room. It's an advantage not very many teams have.
Convington, Saric, Illyasova are all 6'10 three point threats.
Simmons is not good because of the system. He's a very good player. He gets so many TDs because of the system. If Simmons was PGing for the Jazz, he would not average eight and a half assists a game, given how the Jazz move the ball. Rubio's assists went down in half once he joined the Jazz. Assists are, in general, related to the system you're playing. Jordan played off the ball a lot of the time with Chicago. There was one season where, due to personnel issues, Jordan played PG and intiated the offense on every possession. His assists doubled. He didn't become a better passer all of a sudden for one season. The system changed.
Pretty much anyone playing primary ball handler on the Sixers would get plenty of assists.
They're not. There are other teams that do this, and consequently, they have high assists players. Example, Harden. Like all basic stats, assists aren't a meaningful metric without context.
Simmons is not good at stats because of the system. They just boost his stats.
Simmons would not get the rebounds or assist numbers if he was on the Jazz. But he would still get good numbers. My guess is around 17 ppg, 5 boards and 5 assists. We dont have the PG come back for the rebounds off misses we let the bigs get them and make the outlet pass. We also move the ball around a lot and dont have a primary guy distributing the ball. Look at Rubios assists numbers for an idea of what would happen.
Mitchell is also helped by the system he is in but in a different way. Mitchell is relied on a lot for offense that he probably would not be in other systems. Our system also creates a lot of open looks for players. We are one of the best teams in the NBA and drive and kicks.
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After this we should start a thread to talk about all of Ben Simmons' great attributes to make Bawse feel better.
Bawse Dawg
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Let’s not talk about how 6 of Mitchell’s 10 rebounds bounced right to him though.
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Good point, let's see how many of Ben's regular season rebounds just bounced to him. Prove our point even more. muh triple doubles.