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Where in the bill does it stop a child from talking to someone about being molested?

I don't have any idea. I was primarily just interested in whether before questioning him you had considered what he had said. I got my answer.

 

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Where in the bill does it enable child molesters?

Among other items, teachers are not allowed to give K-3 children questionaires, nor have discussions with them, about sexual issues (including molestation) without parental permission. How many molesting parents will give that permission?

 

[Bucknutz]

Among other items, teachers are not allowed to give K-3 children questionaires, nor have discussions with them, about sexual issues (including molestation) without parental permission. How many molesting parents will give that permission?

Where in the bill does it say this?

 

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I have no interest in your obvious straw man.

Not straw man, an obvious, presumably unintended, consequence.

The legislation doesn't prohibit everything related in any way to sex or gender.

It does, explicitly, for grades K-3. In addition, the preamble even says this is a goal of the bill.

It establishes the Florida State Board of Education as the arbiter of what is approved content and forbids teachers, schools, or local school boards from going beyond what has been set as age or developmentally appropriate by the state.

It does many other things as well. Have you read the law?

Everything coming from your keyboard in this thread is nonsense easily falsified by the text of the law ...

1. In accordance with the rights of parents enumerated 67 in ss. 1002.20 and 1014.04, adopt procedures for notifying a 68 student's parent if there is a change in the student's services 69 or monitoring related to the student's mental, emotional, or 70 physical health or well-being and the school's ability to 71 provide a safe and supportive learning environment for the 72 student. The procedures must reinforce the fundamental right of 73 parents to make decisions regarding the upbringing and control 74 of their children by requiring school district personnel to 75 encourage a student to discuss issues relating to his or her 76 well-being with his or her parent or to facilitate discussion of 77 the issue with the parent.

If a student needs services from suspected molestation, they need to work it out with their parent. Plain as day.

A school district may not adopt procedures or student 82 support forms that prohibit school district personnel from 83 notifying a parent about his or her student's mental, emotional, 84 or physical health or well-being, or a change in related 85 services or monitoring, or that encourage or have the effect of 86 encouraging a student to withhold from a parent such 87 information.

If you think a parent is molesting their child, the school can't withhold any information from the parent.

That's just the first two. There are more.

but I've known you long enough to know that you'll never admit it so there is no point in debating your idiotic take.

I admit error from time to time. I can also read. I await your presentation of the plain text that refutes what I just types.

Yes there is still age appropriate content in Florida. Yes there are still school councilors and social workers in Florida. Yes teachers are still mandatory reporters in Florida.

Except now, they have to inform the parents while the entire process is going on.

 

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Among other items, teachers are not allowed to give K-3 children questionaires, nor have discussions with them, about sexual issues (including molestation) without parental permission. How many molesting parents will give that permission?

Where in the bill does it say this?

It's item #1, for crying out load.

 

[Bucknutz]

It's item #1, for crying out load.

It does not prohibit a child from talking to a teacher about molestation. The questionnaires already have opt outs. Where in this bill does it enable molesters?

 

[Bucknutz]

It's item #1, for crying out load.

You can opt out of questionnaires and lessons before this bill. Once again how does it enable molesters?

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Except now, they have to inform the parents while the entire process is going on.

The parents always got notified when the school reported molestation. Your straw man is moronic because it pretends no other laws protecting children exist.

F.S. §39.0139: Protecting Children from Sexual Abuse by Those Entrusted with Their Care

The Florida Legislature passed the “Keeping Children Safe Act,” F.S. §39.0139, effective July 1, 2007, in an effort to prevent sexual abuse during visitation pursuant to judicial determinations from those persons the child is ordered to visit. The legislature’s passage of this act acknowledges...

www.floridabar.org

Teachers are mandatory reporters. Teachers are required by law to report any suspected sexual abuse. The law restricts instruction and class room discussion. When a teacher suspects that a student has been sexually abused, that teacher does not say "Billy please show the class where the bad man touched you". Absolutely nothing in this law conveys any sort of secrecy or protection to molesters in the way you are claiming. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read what you wrote. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[Gameface]

The parents always got notified when the school reported molestation. Your straw man is moronic because it pretends no other laws protecting children exist.

F.S. §39.0139: Protecting Children from Sexual Abuse by Those Entrusted with Their Care

The Florida Legislature passed the “Keeping Children Safe Act,” F.S. §39.0139, effective July 1, 2007, in an effort to prevent sexual abuse during visitation pursuant to judicial determinations from those persons the child is ordered to visit. The legislature’s passage of this act acknowledges...

www.floridabar.org

Teachers are mandatory reporters. Teachers are required by law to report any suspected sexual abuse. The law restricts instruction and class room discussion. When a teacher suspects that a student has been sexually abused, that teacher does not say "Billy please show the class where the bad man touched you". Absolutely nothing in this law conveys any sort of secrecy or protection to molesters in the way you are claiming. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read what you wrote. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

I imagine there is a process prior to reporting.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I imagine there is a process prior to reporting.

Too bad we don't have a JF member who has experience in teaching and/or school administration to provide some insight in these processes.

 

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But but but recycling old homophobic attacks on the LGBT community equating being gay to being a pedophile really excites my political party’s base that is already drowning in pedophile conspiracy since Covid began (Qanon). And I really really really want to retake the House for the midterms. And I really want to become president of the USA, that would be really cooler than just being the governor of Florida.

I don’t give a **** who I have to hurt. Trans teens? Gay Disney employees? Teachers trying to help? **** them all! I want to boost my political career and I don’t care what conspiracy or homophobic fear I have to indulge to get what I want!

 

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It does not prohibit a child from talking to a teacher about molestation. The questionnaires already have opt outs. Where in this bill does it enable molesters?

It prohibits the teachers from talking to the child without parental permission.

"adopt procedures for notifying a 68 student's parent if there is a change in the student's services 69 or monitoring related to the student's mental, emotional, or 70 physical health or well-being ".

It allows parents to opt out of any questionnaires, including those for molestation, and tells schools the procedures must include ways to work out issues with parents.

"The procedures must reinforce the fundamental right of 73 parents to make decisions regarding the upbringing and control 74 of their children by requiring school district personnel to 75 encourage a student to discuss issues relating to his or her 76 well-being with his or her parent"

Just imagine: 'Mom/Dad, the school said I need to talk to you about our special game".

You can opt out of questionnaires and lessons before this bill.

What you linked was not a questionnaire, it was curriculum.

Once again how does it enable molesters?

Any process that strengthens parental rights will strengthen the rights of bad parents and abusive parents.

However, if you don't see the problem by now, you just don't want to.