Bucknutz
Well-Known Member
Once again, you have not or cannot shown me a line in the bill that prevents a teacher from talking to a student about molestation.I was hoping you'd actually read the bill yourself. There's a difference between "cannot" and "have not".
Incase the type is too small for your eyes, "must ... obtain the permission of the parent. "
Again, that's different from a procedure for suspected molestation, unless you saying opting out of curriculum also opts you out of teachers being able to conduct investigations.
???
Your saying every abused kid was abused by a school employee?
Were you referring to this question?
That had 10%, but:
So, that takes it down to 2%, which is still far too many, but at about the same rate as Catholics (considering Catholics are only 20% of the US population).
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sexual-abuse-by-educators-is-scrutinized/2004/03
I don't think anyone questions that it happens at all.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-14-42.pdf
Name one thing this Florida bill does to prevent educators grooming students. I'd really like to know. I'm sure you're not so dumb as to think grooming occurs in front of a class of 20-30 students. Further, this bill does not claim to address grooming/molestation/etc. in any fashion at all. That's red meat being thrown at you so you'll stop thinking about what the law says or means. The bill claims it's about parental rights.
Again, just a red herring when discussing this bill.
Check again. The majority of abuse of young children comes from the family.
Among other places:
I see it just fine.
Then you find another line that says "obtain the permission of the parent" but it is referring to a questionnaire...not talking with a teacher.
You are wrong about this and have been since you started trying to frame this bill as an enabler bill.
"Again, that's different from a procedure for suspected molestation, unless you saying opting out of curriculum also opts you out of teachers being able to conduct investigations."
Once again you cannot, have not or will not find a line in the bill that prohibits a teacher to talk to the student about molestation. But you keep saying that it does. I have read the bill, that is why I am so confident that it does not prohibit a teacher from talking to a child about molestation. I think you should spend some time reading it.I was hoping you'd actually read the bill yourself. There's a difference between "cannot" and "have not".
Incase the type is too small for your eyes, "must ... obtain the permission of the parent. "
Again, that's different from a procedure for suspected molestation, unless you saying opting out of curriculum also opts you out of teachers being able to conduct investigations.
???
Your saying every abused kid was abused by a school employee?
Were you referring to this question?
That had 10%, but:
So, that takes it down to 2%, which is still far too many, but at about the same rate as Catholics (considering Catholics are only 20% of the US population).
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sexual-abuse-by-educators-is-scrutinized/2004/03
I don't think anyone questions that it happens at all.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-14-42.pdf
Name one thing this Florida bill does to prevent educators grooming students. I'd really like to know. I'm sure you're not so dumb as to think grooming occurs in front of a class of 20-30 students. Further, this bill does not claim to address grooming/molestation/etc. in any fashion at all. That's red meat being thrown at you so you'll stop thinking about what the law says or means. The bill claims it's about parental rights.
Again, just a red herring when discussing this bill.
Check again. The majority of abuse of young children comes from the family.
Among other places:
You contradict yourself in a matter of a day…
“Further, this bill does not claim to address grooming/molestation/etc. in any fashion at all.”
But a day before:
“As I mentioned, the Florida bill (now law, IIRC) makes it easier for child molesters by encouraging secrecy.”
“It's a pro-sexual-predator bill, by trying to eliminate discussion of molestation, among other things.”
“nor have discussions with them, about sexual issues (including molestation) without parental permission.”
“It prohibits the teachers from talking to the child without parental permission.”
The only permission it asks for is a questionnaire opt out. But those questionnaires or surveys are not required to have questions about molestation. They could just be general health or mental wellness surveys. Also schools are not required to send out health surveys.
“Your saying every abused kid was abused by a school employee?”
I have never implied or stated this. Just a stupid response. I wish you were better than that. Put some effort in.
You stated most molesters of children are family members which is not true, why I added the stats in there. Your stat is for children under 6…this bill goes to 11. Why the stats I provide are for up to 12… also the median age for a first sexual abuse is 9.
“Keep in mind, over half the molesters of young children are family members, and this law is almost entirely about giving parent more control over what the schools can talk to young kids about. It's a child molester's dream bill.”
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/h...-gay-and-anti-woke-bills-actually-say/2022/03
“The best data available suggest that nearly 10 percent of American students are targets of unwanted sexual attention by public school employees—ranging from sexual comments to rape—at some point during their school-age years, Ms. Shakeshaft said.”
Maybe if we kept the conversation away from sexual topics, then maybe it would stop a grooming opportunity. The average age of a first time molestation is 9…right in the middle of the this bills age range. I don’t think it will stop grooming problem, at home or in schools.